Psi Battle: Dr. Strange versus:

Started by Simbon4 pages
Originally posted by long pig
I enjoy the TP hierarchy debate more than the topic. Would you even say Prof X is in the top 10 best telepaths?

Xavier is a total wild-card, IMO; because of his early position as "number one gun" in the TP realm, it's never out of the question for a writer to give him a win over almost any opponent. By the same token, his status makes him a natural person for new characters to beat in order to make a splash. The result's that he's got some high end feats, and the psychic equivalent of a glass chin. I, for one, would still include him in any top ten, just because his rep and history give him a high WTF factor.

Originally posted by long pig
Would you even say Prof X is in the top 10 best telepaths?

what 10 would you put above him?

In all of comics, there are quite a few above him. But for me, making a top ten is hard because I don't believe that when it comes to telepathy, just because one character beats another i.e Moondragon beat Prof, it doesn't mean one is above the other. You get what I'm saying?

One thing at least is clear: TP hierarchy is incredibly poorly defined. The differences between different forms of TP and mind-control are often unclear, and more powerful psychics are often fooled by the illusions of less powerful.

Didn't Yandroth punk Strange mentally in Defenders 119?

Originally posted by long pig
In all of comics, there are quite a few above him. But for me, making a top ten is hard because I don't believe that when it comes to telepathy, just because one character beats another i.e Moondragon beat Prof, it doesn't mean one is above the other. You get what I'm saying?

I hear exactly what you mean, thats why I wanted to see who your "top tier" were

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Didn't Yandroth punk Strange mentally in Defenders 119?

I don't think so; Strange tried to beat her mentally, but failed, but she also wasn't able to beat strange -- she needed to go after his physical body.

I am split between Cable, and X-Man. Unchecked by the T.O. I might give it to Cable, but X-Man definitely has the better feats of the two.

Originally posted by long pig
As far as the astral plane, afaik, Strange is the only one who can bring in weapons and artifacts into it. He was called the king of the astral plane by Eternity-AO, but that was a while ago.

Bring items into the astral plane?? PFFt small fries. Nate can manipulate the astral plane, into the corporeal world.
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Originally posted by Simbon
One thing at least is clear: TP hierarchy is incredibly poorly defined. The differences between different forms of TP and mind-control are often unclear, and more powerful psychics are often fooled by the illusions of less powerful.

Once X-Man’s telepathy kicks in, he sees right through Mysterio illusion, and reverses it.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3369/xman57p14.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6287/xman57p21.jpg

Originally posted by "Id"

Once X-Man’s telepathy kicks in, he sees right through Mysterio illusion, and reverses it.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3369/xman57p14.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6287/xman57p21.jpg

It's a fine feat, but it doesn't change the fact that he was initially fooled by the illusion, and that this is the case with many other psychics (Fantomex and Marvel Boy, just to name two relatively low-power TPers, have repeatedly fooled superior psychics).

I think it's also hard to judge hierarchy because the effects of "will-power" on psychic resistance are uneven. It gets used as a device to protect characters that might otherwise be at the mercy of every two-bit telepath on the planet, but it can't be assumed, conversely, that anyone with crazy willpower can resist a psychic assault. And then you have all of those guys who have mentally controlled hundreds to even billions of people simultaneously-- how do you compare that with folks like Chuck or Emma who can get stymied by someone with strong willpower? Then there's someone like Overmind, who has massive psychic powers, but gets psychically taken over, over and over again. So anyway, I don't know about making a hierarchy, but I will say that Strange, Thanos, and Xemnu are all consistently portrayed at shockingly high levels, and that the others, while impressive, are harder to place either for reasons of inconsistency (Xavier, Overmind), or because they lack comparable feats.

I agree. A top ten is impossible. The best we can do is list ten of the top psychics, but not from greatest to least....mainly because they probably could defeat or stalemate each other on any given day. The reason I'm high on Strange's tp is he is the only one TMK, who has three types. Natural based, Magic based and artifact based/enhanced. At his best he can combine all three, which is what happens when the eye settles on his forehead, and at that point I'd say he's the top dog. But individually, there may be some above his pure mental tp or purely mystic tp.

Originally posted by "Id"
I am split between Cable, and X-Man. Unchecked by the T.O. I might give it to Cable, but X-Man definitely has the better feats of the two.

Bring items into the astral plane?? PFFt small fries. Nate can manipulate the astral plane, into the corporeal world.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/314/84384710.jpg

Once X-Man’s telepathy kicks in, he sees right through Mysterio illusion, and reverses it.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3369/xman57p14.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6287/xman57p21.jpg

What do you mean he can manipulate the astral world into the corp world? I can't see the scan, what'd he do?

Ah, let's not forget Loki, guys! That guy is a mental beast.

I thought it was stated that Strange does not possess telepathy? He uses his spells to mimic it somewhat? It's not real telepathy. New Avengers Annual 2 or 3?

😂 Are you ****ing kidding me? They even took away his TP now? Jesus. Classic Strange did, that's who we're talking about. But that sucks, although I understand it. His tp WAS too powerful. I get why they'd take it away along with the rest of his powers.

Originally posted by long pig
😂 Are you ****ing kidding me? They even took away his TP now? Jesus. Classic Strange did, that's who we're talking about. But that sucks, although I understand it. His tp WAS too powerful. I get why they'd take it away along with the rest of his powers.

He said he didn't have telepathy so he couldn't access the memories of the Wolverine and Spider-Man the way a telepath could. He had to something complicated to channel some energies from a different universe to allow him to magically access those memories or something.

Jesus ****ing Christ......❌

Originally posted by long pig
Jesus ****ing Christ......❌

It's not the Annual issues. I'll have a look again. I posted the scan a while back. But I know Luke Cage, Wolverine and SpiderMan and Dr. Strange are in it. They need him to access their memories. Will have a look and let you know the issue. I'm presuming it's annual of some sort.

Seriously man....wtf are they doing to my favorite ****ing character? wtf man...

Originally posted by long pig
Seriously man....wtf are they doing to my favorite ****ing character? wtf man...

I think they kind of had to though. I mean this issue would have come out after the formation of the Illuminati so they had to make Xavier relevant some how.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It's not the Annual issues. I'll have a look again. I posted the scan a while back. But I know Luke Cage, Wolverine and SpiderMan and Dr. Strange are in it. They need him to access their memories. Will have a look and let you know the issue. I'm presuming it's annual of some sort.
No. I really don't want to see that. I just.....christ. That's just going too far. 🙁