please correct me if i'm wrong, but has strange ever actually been a natural telepath? hasn't his tp always been achieved through the use of magic & his artifacts and/or meditative/out of body states? in other words, is any version of strange a pure natural telepath, or has it always been achieved through magic/mysticism?
if so, xavier clearly stomps strange if magic isn't involved.
Yes, hes a natural telapath just like its mentioned that all humans have latent psionic abilities
He learned to be one through training similar to how Moondragon and Mantis were trained and got a better control over their psionic abilities
The only instance of any magic enhancing his already present TP is when he uses the eye of agamotto to enhance it.
Originally posted by Simbon
It's a fine feat, but it doesn't change the fact that he was initially fooled by the illusion, and that this is the case with many other psychics (Fantomex and Marvel Boy, just to name two relatively low-power TPers, have repeatedly fooled superior psychics).
Just keep in mind his telepathy was off when Mysterio illusion effected him. Once it was turned on, Mysterio applauded him, since he saw right through.
Originally posted by long pig
What do you mean he can manipulate the astral world into the corp world? I can't see the scan, what'd he do?
Originally posted by SasuOnaHe's used magical tp many, many times without the EOA. Physically entering people's minds or even throwing their physical body into their own minds like in the Order. He's even commented that natural tps are vulnerable to magical tp.
Yes, hes a natural telapath just like its mentioned that all humans have latent psionic abilities
He learned to be one through training similar to how Moondragon and Mantis were trained and got a better control over their psionic abilities
The only instance of any magic enhancing his already present TP is when he uses the eye of agamotto to enhance it.
Went and took a look at some magic TP feats that don't involve the Eye and there are a lot of them. He says natural telepaths have NO defense against magic TP what so ever. Its like a backdoor against even the best natural telepaths. Even Galactus had no defense against magic tp. The Ancient One, taught Strange both magic TP and Natural TP, eventually was surpassed by Strange in those areas. Strange entered his physical mind mysticaly and literally physically flew around in it at the speed of light, reading neuro impulses and re arranged them. It was wild. Who else has done that in anyone's mind? But like I said, the eye isn't the source of his magic telepathy. It magnifies it as well as his innate TP, sometimes individually, sometimes both at the same time. But, imo the best thing other than magnification, the Eye renders Strange immune to all mental attacks/probes ever been attempted against him and when combined with both MTP/NTP it magnifies him to all but omniversal telepathy and awareness.
Originally posted by "Id"If you mean he can manipulate the real world with reality manipulation while in astral form and can manipulate the astral world while in the real world, then so can Strange. Although he's only done it a few times, Strange can be in the astral plane and also the physical world at the same time. Even being conscious in his physical body engaged in a full on wizard battlewhile also being in the astral plane engaging in an astral battle.....his body acting independantly from his AF. Both being fully Strange and fully conscious in two different forms at the same time. I tried VERY hard to make that make sense.
Just keep in mind his telepathy was off when Mysterio illusion effected him. Once it was turned on, Mysterio applauded him, since he saw right through.Just how the scan describes it. He is one of the few that can twist astral plane into the corporeal world and vice versa. Pulling Xavier astral form, into the real world is one example.
Originally posted by wildernesssEven he it was a purely innate telepathic battle, no back door magic TP, Strange would still probably win. I get the X love, but he's not in Strange's league. He's the world's greatest MUTANT telepath. There r non mutant earth telepaths who are his superior, i.e Strange. But since magic tp IS allowed, X has no defense against it at all. In fact magic tp can read minds of people who natural tp can't. Like Magneto with helmet on. Or WolvieYou need magic dfense like Jug's Helmet. Normal defense is useless. X gets thrown into his own mind 4 eternity.
please correct me if i'm wrong, but has strange ever actually been a natural telepath? hasn't his tp always been achieved through the use of magic & his artifacts and/or meditative/out of body states? in other words, is any version of strange a pure natural telepath, or has it always been achieved through magic/mysticism?if so, xavier clearly stomps strange if magic isn't involved.
Originally posted by long pigThat’s co-existing in both realms at the same time. Not what the scan is explaining. The descriptions specifies Nate is capable of twisting the contents of the real world into the astral plane and vice versa.
If you mean he can manipulate the real world with reality manipulation while in astral form and can manipulate the astral world while in the real world, then so can Strange. Although he's only done it a few times, Strange can be in the astral plane and also the physical world at the same time. Even being conscious in his physical body engaged in a full on wizard battlewhile also being in the astral plane engaging in an astral battle.....his body acting independantly from his AF. Both being fully Strange and fully conscious in two different forms at the same time. I tried VERY hard to make that make sense.
I also want to point out that Nate is one of the few Psi with the capacity to tear down the astral plane.