Clubber Lang vs. Ivan Drago

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
1. Rocky III != Rocky IV.

By Sly's own admission. You know, the guy who created, starred as, and wrote the Rocky films?

Just so we're on the same page.

Premise shot down.

2. You realize Rocky did a rope-a-dope after two KOS, right?

Or do the accoustics of your sigmoid colon disrupt that part of the fight?

* Rocky was more afraid of Lang's punches and elected to dodge them.
* Rocky gets knocked down twice anyways by a pissed off Lang and then rope-a-dopes him.
* Premise shot down.

3. Uh, no. It's not. Rocky had verifiable brain damage from Drago, whereas he survived tanking Lang without any long lasting injuries.

Comparatively, Lang has beaten an out of shape Rocky and went down hard and fast against a better trained one.

Drago went 15 rounds with a Rocky in the best shape of his life by admission of Sly himself, and had Rocky on the floor more often than not while maintaining the stamina to one-hand chokehold his handler 10+ rounds in. Lang couldn't spank his monkey after 3 rounds.

They are not comparable, even slightly.

You lose. All premises destroyed. Conclusion unsupported.

1. He had the opportunity to build this 10lbs of muscle against Lang as well, but decided avoiding him was the safer bet. Further proof he himself felt Lang was the harder hitter.

Besides by real world standards (which you keep trying to use with these ridiculous characters) 10lbs of muscles is not nearly enough to gain this super powered durability that he would need to have in your theory

2. So now you're claiming that Rocky didn't try to avoid Lang's hits? That was the entire purpose of the training. Lang just powered thru the defenses so Rocky had to come up with a new plan on the fly. Something he never had to do with Drago mind you. Then he blocked Lang. Do you know what goes into a rope-a-dope at all? It's a lot of blocking. Hence Rocky was not taking Clubber's hits, he was blocking them. Come on now. You're better than that.

3. Rocky had brain damage caused by years of blows to the head, supported by actual film dialog and not just flagrant fanboism. If it were all or even mostly Drago it would have been flat out stated. It wasn't. But keep trying to pull that card and continue showing your bias.

Lang's endurance has nothing to do with this so that quick cheap "win" you keep trying to get by bringing up his lack of stamina is pointless.

Rocky went 15 rounds taking Drago's hits with little issue. After one round of taking shots from Lang, Rocky decided to rope-a-dope him to save himself from another brutal KO.

You're right, they aren't comparable. Lang hits were too much for Rocky to take head on, while Drago's were a walk in the park by comparison.

You've lost long ago. But by all means keep trying. I could use the amusement

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
juggerquan has hydra-like regeneration abilities.

He thinks if he just keeps saying "LOLNOPE, CUZ STUFF", he wins.

JQ, Google "objective", "debate", "argument" and "burden of proof".

Then Google a school and enroll in that shit.

This is fucking art.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

Based on common sense, Clubber is an excellent boxer but Drago was a man whose been bred to "Box".Dude can deliver a punch that's worth of 2,000 psi which is more deadlier then a discharge from a shotgun at close range, he also has better stamina and holds more then twice the winning streak then Clubber did. (Drago had 132 wins while Clubber only had 57.)

In conclusion-Clubber is great and all,but pitting him against a monster like Drago would be simply too much of a challenge.

Originally posted by MidnightSpectre
Dude can deliver a punch that's worth of 2,000 psi which is more deadlier then a discharge from a shotgun at close range

Originally posted by MidnightSpectre
Based on common sense, Clubber is an excellent boxer but Drago was a man whose been bred to "Box".Dude can deliver a punch that's worth of 2,000 psi which is more deadlier then a discharge from a shotgun at close range, he also has better stamina and holds more then twice the winning streak then Clubber did. (Drago had 132 wins while Clubber only had 57.)

In conclusion-Clubber is great and all,but pitting him against a monster like Drago would be simply too much of a challenge.

I don't have a gif for how wrong that is.

I took a shot because I didn't have words, Janus.

I tried to analyzed both fighters but looks like my research didn't do too hot,oh well,forgive me for being an idiot. facepalm

Originally posted by juggerman
He couldn't hence the blocking and dodging.

Rocky "dominating" Lang has no bearing on whether or not he could withstand his punches. Look at his fight with Drago vs his fight with Lang. In only one he took every hit to the face and the other one he decided to block and dodge. Fact

It was about two different people tho. One jacked and one skinny without knowing anything else about them

What? You posted a statistic showing Rocky out-punching Lang. So which is it? Is Rocky on the defensive or is he out-fighting him?

No, that's not a fact as Rocky took plenty of Lang's shots. That Rocky decided to fight slightly smarter doesn't mean much. Also you must consider that Drago was much taller and more skilled than Lang, Rocky had to tank his hits in order to get inside his defense. He couldn't just jab and mock him like Lang.

I already told you, two guys with equal durability/damage soak. One gets jacked, the other stays skinny. Are you honestly going to deny that the bigger guys is going to be tougher?

Originally posted by Psychotron
What? You posted a statistic showing Rocky out-punching Lang. So which is it? Is Rocky on the defensive or is he out-fighting him?

No, that's not a fact as Rocky took plenty of Lang's shots. That Rocky decided to fight slightly smarter doesn't mean much. Also you must consider that Drago was much taller and more skilled than Lang, Rocky had to tank his hits in order to get inside his defense. He couldn't just jab and mock him like Lang.

I already told you, two guys with equal durability/damage soak. One gets jacked, the other stays skinny. Are you honestly going to deny that the bigger guys is going to be tougher?

You can be on the defensive and still attack. Counter punching is a good example. But you did see him blocking right?

It actually means a lot. It means Rocky himself felt that taking hits from Lang, waiting for an opportunity to present itself was out of the question. Since that's Rocky's standard M.O. I'd say it's very telling indeed that Lang pulled him away from it.

You never specified these guys were equal in anyway. Again if you wanna change your previously stated hypothetical scenario you can, but at least admit your original one wasn't even close to this.

Drago >> Clubber

Agreed

Originally posted by juggerman
You can be on the defensive and still attack. Counter punching is a good example. But you did see him blocking right?

It actually means a lot. It means Rocky himself felt that taking hits from Lang, waiting for an opportunity to present itself was out of the question. Since that's Rocky's standard M.O. I'd say it's very telling indeed that Lang pulled him away from it.

You never specified these guys were equal in anyway. Again if you wanna change your previously stated hypothetical scenario you can, but at least admit your original one wasn't even close to this.

Or you know, he knew Lang was a blowhard who would just whiff and eventually tire out (like he did), because the story narrative all but wrote that on the viewer's forehead.

Drago >> Uber Professionals > Lang.

Originally posted by juggerman
Agreed

In punching power 👆

His late concession is better than none.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Or you know, he knew Lang was a blowhard who would just whiff and eventually tire out (like he did), because the story narrative all but wrote that on the viewer's forehead.

Drago >> Uber Professionals > Lang.

He didn't realize Lang had shit endurance until midway thru their second fight.

I agree Drago is much better than Lang

Originally posted by Lestov16
In punching power 👆

❌

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
His late concession is better than none.

👇

Originally posted by juggerman
He didn't realize Lang had shit endurance until midway thru their second fight.

I agree Drago is much better than Lang

/thread.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
/thread.

It ended long ago

Yeah, you just kept stonewalling well past.