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Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he most certainly was not. He was far quicker and leaner in the third one. He did the same old thing and took Drago's best. He didn't need to tire him out or increase his speed to do so. Drago was overhyped and never even won a professional fight.😂
Learn 2 read, fool. I posted the weight disparity as well as viable information from Sly himself about how he was in the best shape of his life during IV, and was at his lowest weight beginning in Rocky III. Comparatively, they are not the same exact person. There's reason to believe they are sufficiently different enough in terms of muscle mass, build, and weight that their abilities to soak damage are not the same. I'll give you a hint why:
Spoiler:
They are different physically. Derp. It's axiomatic.
So using Rocky as an objective benchmark while injecting your own personal, subjective views on how Rocky did or did not dodge XYZ (even though Rocky won the fight not so much by dodging but by combining it with outright tanking and mockery) is missing the effin' point of the movie. Lang was never in Rocky's league, and his one-up was only possible because Rocky was first out of shape and later with a bit of training took him to the cleaners.
Saying Lang hits harder because Rocky was dodging him ignores important context, like the fact that Drago was much harder to dodge, and dodging was less viable because Drago doesn't have the endurance of a prom night three-pump chump like Lang. Rocky had no choice but to endure Drago's hits; with Lang, the moron was leaning into them and tired out like a pussy in three rounds.
Also, Drago has a 2k+ PSI peak strike, which means he's up to 2x stronger than real-life Olympic and professional strikers. He's literally in his own tier. To claim that Lang is equal to him, much less superior, begs for exceptional evidence.
Evidence no one has been able to provide. Because it doesn't exist.
Originally posted by juggerman
I provided video evidence. You basically just sat there and said "well no cuz uh reasons and such and Rocky trained harder so we should just assume he could take harder hits. No real proof needed cuz herp derp."
Look who strawmans and then whines about being the victim of the same here.
1. You claimed Rocky is an objective and static unit of measurement for determining the strength of punching of Lang and Drago.
I pointed out why this was false: that physically he is different, that mentally he has changed, and that your own views on Rocky dodging, without explicit supplemental evidence to support it being because he was afraid of Lang's punches (Lang, who hits worse than his mother, ffs), is unsupported. The stronger the claim, the stronger the evidence needed.
Your evidence has been subjective and stretched, to be kind. Therefore, your stance is the weakest. Accept this and be a man for once.
2. Drago punches superhumanly harder. This is self-evident. The film shows us a measurement using an objective measuring instrument. Compared with real-life examples, this places Ivan Drago over twice as powerful as real-life Olympians and professionals in terms of peak punching power. There's no reason to assume this information is suspect. There's no reason to assume people in the Rocky-verse punch harder than RL people, with the exception of Drago who is something of a freak of nature. There's nothing to show that Lang is substantially stronger than the guy next to him, much less a Soviet Superman. Therefore, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of Drago being the stronger.
Accept this and move on.
3. Sly Stallone's own website notes that Rocky was in peak shape and Drago was the strongest guy he ever went up against. You pretended like this didn't exist because it hurt your bias.
Now...