Originally posted by garybloke
proof that wolverine fans generally have iq's under 85 is the fact that they confuse convoluted garbage for depth and complexity. wolverine is neither deep nor complex, he's the result of writers throwing as many gimmicks into the character as possible to appeal to as many people as possible. this really is a fact, wolverine is essentially the barbie doll of comic characters, where you can find a different type of wolverine for each story line. he's a fun character, but anyone who tries to find deep meaning in the character or relateable qualities should stop reading wolverine and look to someone like tony stark, who's one of the few deep and complex marvel characters, a group that wolverine is not in.on top of that, if you look at the overall quality of wolverine works, a horrendous animated series, a horrendous movie, horrendous video games, even wolverine action figures are of a mediocre quality, and most importantly the comics, even now wolverine series such as the best there is are horrendous, it proves that wolverine is a character that is not known for quality. hes known for cheap cash ins. for every good wolverine comic there are 10 bad one's. and this is coming from someone who has read almost every wolverine comic. even
the character really has nothing to offer except to the idiots that believe an abundance of booze, cussing and violence can make up for a decent storyline. of course you'll hear some bonky rationalization from wolverine fanboys but that's all it is, an attempt to twist the obvious shortcomings into something redeemable, but unlike wolverine fans the general populous has an iq over 90 and would most likely not fall for the crap disguised as an argument,.
this really is a fact, for anyone looking at wolverine for quality, your looking in the wrong place. there is a reason why wolverine has never won a single eisner award for any of his works.
I recommend you actually read an issue with Wolverine in it (as it's clear that is something you have never done), and if you can manage that (I have my doubts) then try branching outside of comic books into wide world of literature to see what character development and a deep and nuanced characters actual look like. I honestly doubt you will have much success with a medium that doesn't use pictures as a visual aid, but you should give it a try anyway. Perhaps a book on tape is the solution to your reading problem? Maybe head down to your local liberal on a day a volunteer is reading aloud to children? I'm sure there is several options to consider, but whatever you decide, familiarizing yourself with literature will surely go a long way to help you appreciate what a real fully formed character reads like.
It's not difficult to see why we disagree on this subject, considering that I actually read comic books and am familiar with the characters, where as you stumble around the panels like an invalid trying to glean as much as you can from the pretty pictures, with little to no ability to comprehend the narration or interpret the finer points of the plot. That leaves us with opinions from two different perspectives. First we have mine: The well thought out and carefully deduced opinion of someone well versed and knowledgeable on the subject. And then we have your opinion: The incoherent ramblings of a idiot who doesn't know where the Cap Locks key is and can barely string a coherent sentence together.
I'm sure the nuances and complexities of a character like Wolverine are hard to grasp, and extremely frustrating for someone like yourself, who is only familiar with the one dimensional cardboard cutouts DC tries to pass off as characters, and undoubtedly spent the better part of a decade struggling to get a passing grade in Work Place level English, scribbling illiterate poetic analyses of Tu-PAC songs, but that hardly changes the facts. Wolverine is the most complex and nuanced superhero.
The assertion that Wolverine's character or personality changes arbitrarily on the whim of the writer to mesh with any given story (or that writers are continually piling on various traits in order to appeal to a wider audience) is complete and utter bullshit. The reality is Wolverine hasn't drastically changed since Claremont defined the character, and any changes he has gone through have happened organically as the character evolved. Several times he has been exposed to revelations that confirmed his suspicions and worse fears about the men he was before he lost his memory which pushed him further down a given path.... but always on a path he was already on. His character has never arbitrarily changed - nor have his personality or motivations - to suit a plot outside of a few horrible and well documented examples (that every superhero has). Wolverine's personally, the inherent themes he embodies, the warring ideologies that drive and motivate the character, were all well defined soon after Claremont introduced the character... looooooooooong before his powers or skill set were elaborated on. Anyone who complains about perceived inconsistencies of the character, "How can Wolverine be a samurai and a raging berserker? Make up your mind!," has failed to grasp the fundamental nature of what defines Wolverine's personality. He is a violent savage who strives for nobility. That's the character. That's what makes him different that every other paint by the number superhero stock character like Batman or Superman. The innate duality is essential to the character. It's what makes him tick. It's the very reason Wolverine is the most nuanced and dynamic character in superhero comics. Wolverine isn't a good person, he tries to be, and he fails specifically... but that's what makes him an intriguing character study. Wolverine's portrayal has always been constant about these inconsistent because the are fundamental to defining him as a character, every single thing about Wolverine confirms to an internal logic that governs the character. You can pretend that Wolverine is simply a static, one dimensional "Badass" stock character like Midnighter who growls and snitks people, that that just illustrates your lack of knowledge and familiarity with the character and empathizes the fact that you lack the qualifications to credibly weigh in on this subject.
The Best There Is sucked... but it was still better than Finch's atrocious The Dark Knight. Two of the Batman films are worse than Origins. Much worse. Outside of movie tie-ins Marvel's entire action figure line is LEAGUES better than DCs, and Wolverine has some of the best sculpts. Anyone who actually bothered to watch Wolverine and The X-Men and didn't write it off from the title knows it was an awesome cartoon... better than The Batman or Brave and the Bold. X-Men Origins Wolverine Uncaged Edition is considered to be one the better comic book video games the last couple gens, in spite of the fact that it is a movie tie in which have short turn around dev time and a horrible track record. Wolverine is a notorious Eisner snub, not that awards matter much, I mean... just look at some of the great actor's who have never won an Oscar... and then think about some of the "actors" (using that term very loosely) that have.
If anyone disagrees with my assessment that Wolverine is the most complex, nuanced and dynamic character in superhero comics, then they simply haven't give the matter adequate thought. I recommend you familiarize yourself with Wolverine canon, and then write a detailed Character Study. 😎