DCU gets remade - all books are #1s, Geoff Johns and Jim Lee on Justice League, more

Originally posted by emporerpants
Yeah, wasn't it Pak who had a young Supes struggle with a small sailboat and need help from a normal human to move it? Tired or not, that is just stupid.

Also, why on earth are so many people worrying about Supes going rogue in the DC universe? I mean, it's incredibly clear at this point that he isn't really a threat to the planet at all, especially with how often he gets beat. Does DC really expect the readers to buy the idea that Supes would be a huge threat if he went rogue, and that the world needs all of these special groups dedicated to taking him down when almost every single comic he's in has him get stomped?

And that's false AFAIK. His record isn't that bad.

So being handled well is only related to feats, is it? mmm

Originally posted by -Pr-
So being handled well is only related to feats, is it? mmm

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Superman create a big bang or something?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was about to destroy the hemisphere by just standing.

Suffice to say Superman>>WWH.

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So, no. He isn't as bad as KMC is making him out to be. Far from it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So being handled well is only related to feats, is it? mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then blame Johns about it who started this romance crap in the first place. That alienated 90% of his own supporting cast from him in his own comic and for what? A cheap promotional stunt?

Them being a couple isn't responsible for any of the shit writing Superman has had to suffer over the past year.

Shoe-horning Lois in every chance they get, is a worse offender imo. They could have had him at the planet just fine without having some of the stuff we've had to endure.

and that scan is hardly definitive.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Shoe-horning Lois in every chance they get

Give readers what they want mmm

Originally posted by Bentley
Give readers what they want mmm

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Them being a couple isn't responsible for any of the shit writing Superman has had to suffer over the past year.

Shoe-horning Lois in every chance they get, is a worse offender imo. They could have had him at the planet just fine without having some of the stuff we've had to endure.

and that scan is hardly definitive.

Disagree.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, alienate an actual supporting character for the sake of cheap romance which is doomed from the start? That would be like Batman dating WW and Catwoman being thrown out of the whole bat-line.

Disagree.

Who said it was a cheap romance? Johns was obviously serious about it, and if the other writers had actually shown some professionalism and supported him on it, then things would be far different. You're acting like Superman books are somehow shit without Lois in them as his girlfriend/wife, when they've been fine before. She could just be his co-worker, but no, they ****ed that up to by actually hurting the character of Superman.

Sure, you can complain about Soule, but I can't help but feel like the book would be shit regardless of who Superman was dating.

We're talking about writers that just don't "get" the character of Superman. Who he puts his dick in is beside the point.

Re😖can: Don't go full Carver on me yet, Abhi. There's still a little hope for you.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Who said it was a cheap romance? Johns was obviously serious about it, and if the other writers had actually shown some professionalism and supported him on it, then things would be far different.

Any serious change to the status Quo of a character's canon will only work if the whole company sticks to it. Changes like that outside of team books can happen, and can work great but more than the originator have to be in it. The fact that others aren't isn't a failing of the idea of change but a failing of writers willingness to build on each other.

I agree with Lek about the status quo, but by the same token people who wanted the relationship to work on an editorial level were pretty delusional to begin with.

I mean, this is the equivalent of making Wolverine and Iron-man siamese twins. You simply cannot tune two character arcs as big as these two because an influential writer says so. Very naive to try at all, but at least it was an honest try.

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree with Lek about the status quo, but by the same token people who wanted the relationship to work on an editorial level were pretty delusional to begin with.

I mean, this is the equivalent of making Wolverine and Iron-man siamese twins. You simply cannot tune two character arcs as big as these two because an influential writer says so. Very naive to try at all, but at least it was an honest try.

I think new 52 was the perfect time to try something like this, maybe it wouldn't work out but I think they should have tried to really do it on an editorial level or at least try something as big even, more big changes that aren't just little blimps before going back to normal would be good for comics I think. But this could also just be me being tired of seeing every few years things flip back and worth between the same storylines with the same supporting cast no matter what the writers say.

People often underestimate how important it is to handle a proper and growing supporting cast. Few characters have managed to get richer as their history progresses in that respect.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Who said it was a cheap romance?

Re😖can: Don't go full Carver on me yet, Abhi. There's still a little hope for you.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I think new 52 was the perfect time to try something like this, maybe it wouldn't work out but I think they should have tried to really do it on an editorial level or at least try something as big even, more big changes that aren't just little blimps before going back to normal would be good for comics I think. But this could also just be me being tired of seeing every few years things flip back and worth between the same storylines with the same supporting cast no matter what the writers say.

So how bout Wally West being black now?

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree with Lek about the status quo, but by the same token people who wanted the relationship to work on an editorial level were pretty delusional to begin with.

I mean, this is the equivalent of making Wolverine and Iron-man siamese twins. You simply cannot tune two character arcs as big as these two because an influential writer says so. Very naive to try at all, but at least it was an honest try.

I honestly don't agree. I think the way DC approached it was wrong, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have worked.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was written all over it. Was he? How much time he actually used to progress the relationship except for a kiss or two? He had plenty of time and the relationship went nowhere. FFS, he used more time and effort in building Black Canary/Doc Midnight romance than this. Well, what did you expect from Lobdell?

Not really. Soule wrote a great superman in Red Lanterns and Swamp Thing. No amazon in sight actually helped.

Lobdell is the only one here who should be mentioned. But DC as a whole doesn't gets Superman at this point. Pairing him with wonder woman does nothing but cheapens the character. The character is already godlike, he doesn't needs a godlike girlfriend.

What do you mean?

How? Because they promoted it at all?

So you didn't read the scenes in Justice League between them? Or are we just ignoring them for the sake of your argument?

It wasn't just Lobdell. He might have been both the worst offender and Johns' biggest ally at times, but acting like he was the only one, is silly. This was a problem throughout Superman books.

So it's Wonder Woman's fault, somehow, that Soule can't write Superman and her well as a couple? Really? Or that he can't write Superman well in a book in which he stars regularly? How is it not Soule's fault?

It only cheapens the character if you let it. Good writers write good work. You can't blame characters for their writers' shortcomings.

I'm talking about the "feat".

Originally posted by JayDaDon
So how bout Wally West being black now?

What?

Apparently he was just introduced in the latest Flash issue

Flash 30 was pretty good. Also, shows a future Barry Allen.