Ulik vs Colossus

Started by Damborgson9 pages

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah so how about you name some issues where Ulik looks good? Because the ones I've found so far don't seem to impressive. Unless something drastic is found, I'm thinking Colossus destroys Ulik for the majority of wins.
He fights thor well pretty well here.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik01137.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik02.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik03.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah so how about you name some issues where Ulik looks good? Because the ones I've found so far don't seem to impressive. Unless something drastic is found, I'm thinking Colossus destroys Ulik for the majority of wins.

Ulik has 68 appearances, so through your research you've found what 2 instances of him falling off a building and are you trying to say these are the best showings you can find?

The fact he's gone toe to toe with Thor should be enough that the showing of him being knocked off a building by a bullet is PIS so shouldn't be used as evidence.

You may have noted that I never said who took a majority just that Ulik was being low balled and by people who seemed unfamiliar with Ulik I might add.

But back to issues:

Thor Vol 1 issue 137 his first appearance, Ulik matches Thor blow for blow and actually seems to be gaining the upper hand until he is teleported away.

Thor Vol 1 issue 414 which is the very issue where Stone takes him out that you posted a scan of iirc, Ulik took on both Hercules and Thor at the same time prior to that (he was enhanced at the time, which makes the bullet thing even worse imo)

Thor Vol 1 issue 252 Ulik again battles Thor for the Ruby eye of the dragon and Ulik manages to knock Thor off the bridge they're fighting on which is surrounded by flames.

Thor Vol 1 issue 253 Ulik thinks Thor is dead finds the dragon defeats it and takes it's eye, he later goes on to Join forces with Thor to fight Trogg in that issue

Thor Vol 1 issue 210 again goes toe to toe with Thor and doesn't give a bad account of himself.

Thor Vol 2 issue 237, he battles Thor again but Thor is forced to surrender because the Trolls Capture Jane Foster

There are others but I'm sure these should be enough for you to be going on with.

Peter has received some decent upgrades over the years and I think this would be a very good fight and I'm still weighing up in my own mind who would take a majority.

However my point still stands, a being who has been shown taking on Thor hand to hand and giving him a fight isn't going to be brushed aside easily and an instance or two of him falling off buildings shouldn't be used as evidence that he would be.

The reason I don't post on here much is everyone gets so aggressive over what is essentially a fictional story written to entertain us.

These debates should be fun not a chance to rip someone else a new one and be a keyboard warrior and insult people.

People need to calm down...

Originally posted by Damborgson
He fights thor well pretty well here.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik01137.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik02.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik03.jpg

That was an EXTREMELY low showing for Thor by anyone's standard (this assumes that Thor wasn't weakened in any way or Ulik buffed).

Colossus has also gone toe to toe with beings like Gladiator and Juggernaut and he's never been KOed by a grenade or a fall from a building.

Originally posted by BigSid

Thor Vol 1 issue 414 which is the very issue where Stone takes him out that you posted a scan of iirc, Ulik took on both Hercules and Thor at the same time prior to that (he was enhanced at the time, which makes the bullet thing even worse imo)

He was enhanced but the enhancement was quickly wearing off, as he himself stated on panel. So it has nothing to do with the "bullet thing". Base Ulik, with no powerups or other plot devices, loses vs Colossus.

Originally posted by BigSid
The reason I don't post on here much is everyone gets so aggressive over what is essentially a fictional story written to entertain us.

These debates should be fun not a chance to rip someone else a new one and be a keyboard warrior and insult people.

People need to calm down... [/B]

People do get like that and it really sucks. Especially the Wolverine fans. These characters don't even really exist 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
He was enhanced but the enhancement was quickly wearing off, as he himself stated on panel. So it has nothing to do with the "bullet thing". Base Ulik, with no powerups or other plot devices, loses vs Colossus.

So let me get this straight, scans were just shown of what I think was Ulik's first appearance of him taking it to Thor and you call it a low showing for Thor.

But being knocked off a roof top by a bullet to the eye isn't a low showing for Ulik?

You asked for Scans and issue numbers, you got them and then you dismiss them but your scans stand as evidence?

So you see Peter taking 10/10 in this one, just curious?

Originally posted by zopzop
That was an EXTREMELY low showing for Thor by anyone's standard (this assumes that Thor wasn't weakened in any way or Ulik buffed).

Colossus has also gone toe to toe with beings like Gladiator and Juggernaut and he's never been KOed by a grenade or a fall from a building.

Does pretty good here 2.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik10Thor152.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik11.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik12.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik13.jpg

keep in mind this is about as classic as you can get with Thor. This was still when he was considered to be stronger then hulk i think...

Originally posted by BigSid
So let me get this straight, scans were just shown of what I think was Ulik's first appearance of him taking it to Thor and you call it a low showing for Thor.

But being knocked off a roof top by a bullet to the eye isn't a low showing for Ulik?

You asked for Scans and issue numbers, you got them and then you dismiss them but your scans stand as evidence?

So you see Peter taking 10/10 in this one, just curious?

I see Peter taking the overwhelming majority unless I see something special from Ulik.

Dude Ulik first appeared in what, the late 1960s early 1970s? Apparently he's been written down since then. The scans I posted were from the late 80s early 90s.

Unless you got something MORE recent than the scans I posted showing Ulik doing something stupendous, I'm not at all impressed with Ulik.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Does pretty good here 2.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik10Thor152.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik11.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik12.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik13.jpg

keep in mind this is about as classic as you can get with Thor. This was still when he was considered to be stronger then hulk i think...

And what's happened since then? Has Ulik been supped up or powered down? Because it sure as hell looks like he's been powered down..........A LOT.

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How about you provide the "weak" scans since you are so adamant about his depowering to contradict the "good" scans people posted? Just to make your argument that it's his current depowering and not PIS...

Originally posted by rotiart
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How about you provide the "weak" scans since you are so adamant about his depowering to contradict the "good" scans people posted? Just to make your argument that it's his current depowering and not PIS...

I provided scans. From the late 80s early 90s Thor issues. Unless my math is off : 1988-1991 comes AFTER 1968-1973 right?

ulik is strong sauce

Originally posted by zopzop
I see Peter taking the overwhelming majority unless I see something special from Ulik.

Dude Ulik first appeared in what, the late 1960s early 1970s? Apparently he's been written down since then. The scans I posted were from the late 80s early 90s.

Unless you got something MORE recent than the scans I posted showing Ulik doing something stupendous, I'm not at all impressed with Ulik.

The problem I have with your first scans of Lt Stone knocking him off the roof and the Thor 450 fight where Stone takes him out with a grenade to the mouth is that it is Ulik being written down as he and Stone were being written to be mortal enemies.

Even if we take Handbooks at face value and he is Class 90 or 95, even holding back because he wants to kill Stone slow, Stone should not still be talking after taking a shot from him, much less being aware enough to throw a grenade in his mouth.

I don't think It KO'd him either iirc it just stagged him and he fell off the pathway they were fighting on.

The 2nd Scan of Thor punching him through a wall and him falling off the building because of it, I have no issue with at all.

I remember buying Thor 450 when it was new and not being happy with the way that fight was written, it was writing up Stone and writing down Ulik imo, nothing has ever been stated on panel of him being depowered to my knowledge.

I do not agree that Ulik slaughters Peter as others have stated but I do think he's a threat to Peter and would give him a hell of a fight.

I'd be willing to give Peter a slight majority but I just don't see him taking an overwhelming one.

Originally posted by zopzop
And what's happened since then? Has Ulik been supped up or powered down? Because it sure as hell looks like he's been powered down..........A LOT.
this is the best thing he's done recently i think...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik21IronmanThor1.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik22.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
this is the best thing he's done recently i think...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik21IronmanThor1.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik22.jpg

Ulik, that's the way Ulik should be written!!!!

about the whole gun thing:

Originally posted by Deadline
[B]Punisher vs Ulik

Damn good showing from Frank vs a guy that goes H2H with Thor. Frank loses in the end but shows he can use his weapons against powerful characters and shows some agility as well.









Note:Frank was willing to blow himself up in the process with spent plutonuim (yeah he can get his hands on that as well), it may not have killed Ulik but it probably would have really really really ****** him up. [/B]

Originally posted by Damborgson
this is the best thing he's done recently i think...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik21IronmanThor1.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik22.jpg

Uhm he seems enhanced in those scans. If that's him "current', then that's awesome. Anyone capable of doing that to Thor would own Colossus.

Originally posted by Damborgson
this is the best thing he's done recently i think...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik21IronmanThor1.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsUlik22.jpg

Isn't that after the High Evolutionary amps him?

Is that amp still current or did he lose it at the end of that story?

If he still has it then Peter dies horribly!

yeah idk if the amp is still in place or not...i hope so. It looks like the amp only affected his strength though because he was one shotted like 3 times in that series.stretcher

Yeah his durability seems suspect.