Ulik vs Colossus

Originally posted by zopzop
Sure he is. He didn't use that amulet when facing the panicking Herc (he didn't know he was having psychological problems at the time). As soon as he was ready for his showdown with Thor, he activated his amp.

Don't confuse Ulik being a dirty fighter as a sign of no confidence. In that very issue he claimed that his power rivaled that of Thor before the enhancement. At that point, the belief that he rivaled Thor in strength or was perhaps even superior was a pretty large part of his character.

Originally posted by zopzop
Thank you for those. But how is this showing vastly superior to Colossus vs Gladiator/Juggernaut/Hulk? I still see Colossus taking the majority of wins. He's fought more varied beings in Thor's physical class than Ulik has.

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Wait, are you serious?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Don't confuse Ulik being a dirty fighter as a sign of no confidence. In that very issue he claimed that his power rivaled that of Thor before the enhancement. At that point, the belief that he rivaled Thor in strength or was perhaps even superior was a pretty large part of his character.

Bravo. Ulik claimed the amp increased his power a thousand fold and Thor was still handing him his ass.

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Wait, are you serious?

Dead serious. Both of them (Colossus and Ulik) have fought more powerful foes and tussled with them for a while before being put down. But in Colossus' case, his foes range from Gladiator, to Hulk, to Juggernaut and more I'm probably missing vs Ulik's overwhelmingly tussling with Thor.

Originally posted by zopzop
How many total appearances has he had? How many post 1978? In those appearances has he IMPROVED power/feat wise or has he gotten worse?

50+ canon appearances.
You named 3 low feats, so...

I'd say he's stayed generally around Ulik level. Are you seriously trying to say 3 low feats in 30+ years downgrades a character though?

colossus briefly fought hercules , i seen the scans in the respect thread

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Serious question? Whatever...

50+ canon appearances.
You named 3 low feats, so...

Are you seriously trying to say 3 low feats in 30+ years downgrades a character though? I'd say he's stayed generally around Ulik level.

In his first few appearances 40 or so years ago, he was more than holding his own against Thor. Flash forward to the late 80s, early 90s and falls from buildings and grenades to the mouth are KOing his ass. See a difference?

Rage's most recent scans have him using a "magnetic shield" to trap Mjolnir while he attacks Thor (who will revert to Don Blake in a few seconds) with a telephone pole or something. Then Thor gets serious and the fight is over.

What in those scans makes you believe he'd crush Colossus. The very same Colossus whose gone up against Class 100 bricks himself? If anything it be a close fight but I'd still give it to Colossus because he's fought a greater variety of Class 100 bricks.

Originally posted by zopzop
In his first few appearances 40 or so years ago, he was more than holding his own against Thor. Flash forward to the late 80s, early 90s and falls from buildings and grenades to the mouth are KOing his ass. See a difference?

Rage's most recent scans have him using a "magnetic shield" to trap Mjolnir while he attacks Thor (who will revert to Don Blake in a few seconds) with a telephone pole or something. Then Thor gets serious and the fight is over.

What in those scans makes you believe he'd crush Colossus. The very same Colossus whose gone up against Class 100 bricks himself? If anything it be a close fight but I'd still give it to Colossus because he's fought a greater variety of Class 100 bricks.

30 years ago Thor was taking airplane fire with welts on him, fast forward 20 years and Thor is KO'ed by a sniper bullet. See the difference?
It obviously wasn't a low feat, it was the average, this is how we debate bro. Lowest feats only and make some absurd cut off point!

Where in my post said anything about Colossus vs Ulik? The same Colossus who was beaten by Omega Red himself.

What does greater variety have to do with anything? Ulik's main battle is against a guy who's in every way better than Colossus. Thor is faster, more battle savvy, stronger, more durable, hits harder, and less Russian than Colossus. He's already prepared for Colossus by fighting Colossus' vast superiour if you want to get technical with this.

I thought your Skyfather fanboyism was bad, but I see you just make up random logic for any possible debate. I'm curious to see how mad Rage gets here, so I'll be back tomorrow to see. 👆

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
lol, so ya, 3 low feats makes that the average... in 30 years.

30 years ago Thor was taking airplane fire with welts on him, fast forward 20 years and Thor is KO'ed by a sniper bullet. See the difference?
It obviously wasn't a low feat, it was the average, this is how we debate bro. Lowest feats only and make some absurd cut off point!

Where in my post said anything about Colossus vs Ulik? The same Colossus who was beaten by Omega Red himself.

What does greater variety have to do with anything? Ulik's main battle is against a guy who's in every way better than Colossus. Thor is faster, more battle savvy, stronger, more durable, hits harder, and less Russian than Colossus. He's already prepared for Colossus by fighting Colossus' vast superiour if you want to get technical with this.

I thought your Skyfather fanboyism was bad, but I see you just make up random logic for any possible debate. I'm curious to see how mad Rage gets here, so I'll be back tomorrow to see. 👆

Since the 80s (possibly before) Ulik has been written down, severely. The fact that you havent' posted jacks--t to back up anything you say isn't a surprise. You just mouth off to pad your post count it seems. Show me anything by Ulik POST 80s that have him doing anything resembling what he did to Thor in the 60s-70s. You can't so you just run your mouth.

Rage was kind enough to provide recent scans of Ulik using a plot device to get Mjolnir out of Thor's hands. Ulik then assaulted Thor with a telephone pole or whatever, then Ulik got owned.

How is Ulik's most recent performance against Thor (which was NO WHERE NEAR how he performed against Thor in the 60s-70s) any indication that he would own Colossus in a fight (Colossus whose gone up against a greater variety ofClass 100 bricks himself).

Yah know in one of rages scans it looks like wolverine tries to cut ulik and all ulik does is grunt...

Originally posted by zopzop
Since the 80s (possibly before) Ulik has been written down, severely. The fact that you havent' posted jacks--t to back up anything you say isn't a surprise. You just mouth off to pad your post count it seems. Show me anything by Ulik POST 80s that have him doing anything resembling what he did to Thor in the 60s-70s. You can't so you just run your mouth.

Rage was kind enough to provide recent scans of Ulik using a plot device to get Mjolnir out of Thor's hands. Ulik then assaulted Thor with a telephone pole or whatever, then Ulik got owned.

How is Ulik's most recent performance against Thor (which was NO WHERE NEAR how he performed against Thor in the 60s-70s) any indication that he would own Colossus in a fight (Colossus whose gone up against a greater variety ofClass 100 bricks himself).

What you don't get, is that every old scan Rage posted was without his pounders as well.
Yes, after Ulik got rid of Mjolnir, he was able to give Thor a fight though. Actually, Ulik technically beat Thor, and then Thor cheapshots him and we don't see the rest of the fight. OMG OWNAGEROFFLE!!!

But anyway, since you're just going to whine if I don't show you something, here's him getting up right after backlash from two Mjolnir clones, and Mjolnir that hurt even Thor and tore off Sif's arm.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-016.jpg

Hell he survived Mjolnir's backlash from breaking and three other hammers (and yes, Thor was written like a beast in this arc):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-016.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-018.jpg

Him getting KO'ed from falling off buildings isn't the average. What I posted wasn't the best feat ever, but it sure as hell goes against him getting KO'ed from falling of buildings and a grenade... Hell, the Punisher scans (which are much more recent) go against the grenade thing. IIRC he also had a decent fight against Thor in Thor's 13th annual.

Also, him getting KO'ed from falling off a building is the same issue when Thor was KO'ed/trapped under a bunch of cars for 60 seconds... that issue was obviously a great showcase of everyone... Thor gets beaten by some cars, and Ulik gets beaten by falling off a building. If Ulik gets beaten by more respectable means, does that make him above Thor?

Because I never said it did. The mere fact that I'm arguing with you about your stance that anything after 1979 is a weakened Ulik means I'm not just looking at the fight that Rage posted. I don't shit on characters just because I saw two low feats someone posted on the internet, and make up some ridiculous logic in an attempt to factor those feats in with some retarded cut off point.
But if I was, that was much better than Colossus would fare against Thor, and he was also beating Wolverine, which is apparently beyond Colossus' capabilities so...

When was Ulik beaten by a grenade? I'm coming up blank. The most noticeable scene that comes to mind is this one:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3178/ulik.jpg

And as you can see, Ulik was unharmed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When was Ulik beaten by a grenade? I'm coming up blank. The most noticeable scene that comes to mind is this one:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3178/ulik.jpg

And as you can see, Ulik was unharmed.

We're down to 1 low feat that zopzop knows about I believe. Ulik is severely written down!

DeFalco made it pretty clear that conventional weaponry was at best a distraction against Ulik.

Kudos for actually replying. Waste of time imo though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
DeFalco made it pretty clear that conventional weaponry was at best a distraction against Ulik.

Kudos for actually replying. Waste of time imo though.

Complete waste of time, but if I'm going to log on this site might as well reply. Been coming on the last three weeks to see what's going on in comics. Need to get my own comp again

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When was Ulik beaten by a grenade? I'm coming up blank. The most noticeable scene that comes to mind is this one:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3178/ulik.jpg

And as you can see, Ulik was unharmed.

That was what I was referring to when I mentioned it, I did say though that if I recalled correctly it only knocked him back off the ledge they were fighting on, not knocked him out.

I also considered it a low showing for Ulik as when I read the issue I didn't think Stone should have been able to do that after being battered around by someone on Ulik's power level.

I was using it as an example of a low showing for Ulik and Stone being written up but it was taken the wrong way I think!

EDIT: looking back at my posts I didn't post that it knocked him back, I could have sworn I did, so it seems like in trying to defend Ulik I gave a false impression and added fuel to the fire!

MY bad!

I still say Ulik wrecks Colussus.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't need to post anything tbh. Maybe if you brought up something of substance. I mean, you think 3 low feats spread out over 50 issues worth of pages makes an average... hell, you actually only have 2 low feats since falling off a building and screaming isn't a low feat. You being moronic isn't you being right. It's you being moronic. Get some common sense.
Funny how the guy who runs away anytime I argue with him is talking about all I do... you never have any proof, no substance, and everytime you start talking everyone disagrees with you. This shit is hysterical to me. Hell, when Rage posted all those scans all you could say was "Buh buh, he's written down exactly after all of those scans".

What you don't get, is that every old scan Rage posted was without his pounders as well.
Yes, after Ulik got rid of Mjolnir, he was able to give Thor a fight though. Actually, Ulik technically beat Thor, and then Thor cheapshots him and we don't see the rest of the fight. OMG OWNAGEROFFLE!!!

But anyway, since you're just going to whine if I don't show you something, here's him getting up right after backlash from two Mjolnir clones, and Mjolnir that hurt even Thor and tore off Sif's arm.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-016.jpg

Hell he survived Mjolnir's backlash from breaking and three other hammers (and yes, Thor was written like a beast in this arc):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-016.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor80-018.jpg

Him getting KO'ed from falling off buildings isn't the average. What I posted wasn't the best feat ever, but it sure as hell goes against him getting KO'ed from falling of buildings and a grenade... Hell, the Punisher scans (which are much more recent) go against the grenade thing. IIRC he also had a decent fight against Thor in Thor's 13th annual.

Also, him getting KO'ed from falling off a building is the same issue when Thor was KO'ed/trapped under a bunch of cars for 60 seconds... that issue was obviously a great showcase of everyone... Thor gets beaten by some cars, and Ulik gets beaten by falling off a building. If Ulik gets beaten by more respectable means, does that make him above Thor?

Because I never said it did. The mere fact that I'm arguing with you about your stance that anything after 1979 is a weakened Ulik means I'm not just looking at the fight that Rage posted. I don't shit on characters just because I saw two low feats someone posted on the internet, and make up some ridiculous logic in an attempt to factor those feats in with some retarded cut off point.
But if I was, that was much better than Colossus would fare against Thor, and he was also beating Wolverine, which is apparently beyond Colossus' capabilities so...

See? How hard was that? You didn't even have to actually post the scans just tell me what issues Ulik didn't look like crap in and I would have looked them up.

Assuming he wasn't amped in any way, those are excellent showings.

What it takes to change a kmc posters opinion.
1. Have a fan of the character post scans
2. Have several non biased posters post more scans
3. Have virtually all other posters to a thread disagree with an opinion
4. Prove that the original poster didn't base his scans on anything valid.
5. All Of the above.

Personally I thought it was 1. When rage posted...

Originally posted by rotiart
What it takes to change a kmc posters opinion.
1. Have a fan of the character post scans
2. Have several non biased posters post more scans
3. Have virtually all other posters to a thread disagree with an opinion
4. Prove that the original poster didn't base his scans on anything valid.
5. All Of the above.

Personally I thought it was 1. When rage posted...

Or 6. Post RECENT scans or reference RECENT issues showing a character doing his/her thing. It's not hard.

Hello?
Yes?
Oh I'm sorry it was a wrong number. Seems
Like the Pot was trying to call the kettle black.

Originally posted by rotiart
Hello?
Yes?
Oh I'm sorry it was a wrong number. Seems
Like the Pot was trying to call the kettle black.

Till Sr J-Bieb posted the links to his scans showing Ulik actually doing something impressive under his own power and not under any amp, I posted the most recent scans.

Rages originally posted scans that were from the 60s-70s. He next posted a more recent Ulik/Thor throwdown that wasn't nearly as impressive as the 60s-70s encounter (AND Ulik had a plot device to separate Thor from Mjonir forcing Thor to turn into Don Blake).

Sr J-Bieb then put the issue to rest by posting recent scans of Ulik actually doing something worth mentioning.

60s-70s < late 80s-early 90s < late 90s-2000. See how that works?