Originally posted by rotiart
Did you actually read the series? you mention a few comments ago about not knowing that he was amped... cough...
WTF are you talking about? I was replying to Damborgson's comment about him being KOed easily despite being amped in that series. Add this to the scans of Ulik has being KOed by falls from buildings and grenades and a pattern starts forming.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ulik owns Colossus; low showings aside, he is consistently written to be an opponent capable of giving Thor a good hard fight...I honestly think Ulik beats the Russian 10/10...
But all he seems to have is low showings. The only halfway decent things he's done recently were when he was amped.
Yeah...recent storyline is the only one where he shows levels that reflect those of "Classic Ulik."
I always think of the classic version though, but anyway, would you agree that Classic Ulik beats Colossus 10/10, amped (recent) Ulik wins 10/10, but the one that appears to be depowered/written down can be beaten by the Russian?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yeah...recent storyline is the only one where he shows levels that reflect those of "Classic Ulik."I always think of the classic version though, but anyway, would you agree that Classic Ulik beats Colossus 10/10, amped (recent) Ulik wins 10/10, but the one that appears to be depowered/written down can be beaten by the Russian?
The thing is LoM, the character is a mess.
In his appearances in the late 60s early 70s he gave Thor a run for his money. Since then he's been a joke, unless he's amped by some plot device.
Non "classic" Ulik, ie any version post early 70s, gets his ass handed to him by Colossus.
Ulik amped by plot device (magic amulet, High Evolutionary, etc..) doesn't count.
"Classic" Ulik, ie late 60s early 70s, gives Colossus hell and may even wind up taking the majority wins.
You also have to keep in mind, during Ulik's "classic" years, Thor could have been written down. I mean Mongoose gave Thor trouble in the early 90s. Freaking Mongoose!
Colossus has gone up against legit Class 100 threats and held his own for a while before being put down (Juggernaut, WWH, Gladiator).
Originally posted by h1a8
Comics are sometimes like cartoons. At one scene someone got beat then a panel later they are fresh as new. The only way Ulik got hurt from the fall because of his fight was Thor is if the writer makes it clear. Ulik didn't look weary or hurt when he was walking forward. He just looked pissed.
Ulik took one hell of a beating from Thor. There's no denying that.
I don’t have to prove anything. The evidence is all there. When you come up with an actual argument, post it.
Originally posted by h1a8
As far as feats, That's why I said the writers had no idea how much a feat takes. They just randomly thought of some mess that contradicted other mess back and forth.IMO, if Ulik faced Colossus in a comic then it would be a good fight. Not spite for either character.
Comics having inconsistencies isn’t news to me, but trying to excuse Ulik’s performance with this reasoning is ridiculous. The best argument you can make is that Thor holds back. I do however accept your concession. Ulik being damaged by a fall can easily be explained with your logic.
Originally posted by zopzop
But Ulik had a buff, some amulet that "increased his power a thousand fold" or something. So it's not like Thor was wailing on a normal Ulik. Plus you can clearly see it was the fall that did him in.
Ulik was amped. That doesn’t change my point. If you haven’t yet realized it, my stance is that Ulik finally being defeated by the fall doesn’t really negatively reflect on the character because of the previous beating. And it’s no more sillier than high end entities grabbing girders or what have you.
For the record, Ulik was becoming noticeably weaker after the beating Thor gave him:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik74.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik75.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik76.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik77.jpg
Originally posted by zopzop
In the second scan, he's crying out as he plummets from that building. Worth mentioning that he had enchanted brass knuckles given to him by Loki, so he wasn't fighting Thor under his own power again.
No, that’s Thor. The Odinson was not at a disadvantage.
Originally posted by zopzop
So far nothing I've seen from him indicates that he'd slaughter Colossus in a straight up brawl.
Then you know very little about the character. The very battles he has with Thor are more than sufficient. They've had over a dozen but all I need to do is post some of the earlier ones to prove he's far above Colossus:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik5.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik6.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik7.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik8.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik10.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik11.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik12.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik13.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik14jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik14.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik15.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik16.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik18.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik19.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik20.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik21.jpg
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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik24.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik29.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik30.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik31.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik32.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik33.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik34.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik35.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik36.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik37.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik38.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik39.jpg
If Colossus ever faced the same pissed off Thor that Ulik has in the past, the battle would go something like this:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/KillsThing1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/KillsThing2.jpg
Once upon a time Ulik was an uglier version of the Hulk, he may not be as high up the food chain now but he'd still crush Colossus. Ulik chills at the top of the tier where the not-quite-elite entities reside such as Wonder Woman etc. They can hold their own and even come close to matching the big boys like Superman/Thor/Hulk on a very good day but they won't be in danger of winning most of the time.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusUlik was amped. That doesn’t change my point. If you haven’t yet realized it, my stance is that Ulik finally being defeated by the fall doesn’t really negatively reflect on the character because of the previous beating. And it’s no more sillier than high end entities grabbing girders or what have you.
For the record, Ulik was becoming noticeably weaker after the beating Thor gave him:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik74.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik75.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik76.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik77.jpg
He was becoming "weaker" because his amp was wearing off, ie he was going back to his normal power levels.
No, that’s Thor. The Odinson was not at a disadvantage.
Dude that's Ulik screaming like a little girl as he plummets to defeat. Falls from buildings seem to be his kryptonite.
Then you know very little about the character. The very battles he has with Thor are more than sufficient. They've had over a dozen but all I need to do is post some of the earlier ones to prove he's far above Colossus:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik5.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik6.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik7.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik8.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik10.jpghttp://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik11.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik12.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik13.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik14jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik14.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik15.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik16.jpghttp://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik18.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik19.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik20.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik21.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik22.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik23.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik24.jpghttp://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik29.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik30.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik31.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik32.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik33.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik34.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik35.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik36.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik37.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik38.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsUlik39.jpg
Those scans are ancient. I'm looking for scans post 1980 that have Ulik doing anything special UNENHANCED by outside sources unless those enhancements are permanent now and hence a part of his powerset.
Originally posted by zopzop
Uhm he seems enhanced in those scans. If that's him "current', then that's awesome. Anyone capable of doing that to Thor would own Colossus.
Your comment here made it seem as though you haven't read the series since you didn't write your response as if you knew he was amped... So I asked if you've read the issues
Originally posted by zopzop
He was becoming "weaker" because his amp was wearing off, ie he was going back to his normal power levels.
It was something worth mentioning. And since we're over-analyzing shit, it's now my stance that Ulik was weakened below normal levels. Why else would he actually fear to face Thor? I don't think that's ever been the case. At least at that point. Ulik is not lacking in confidence.
Originally posted by zopzop
Dude that's Ulik screaming like a little girl as he plummets to defeat. Falls from buildings seem to be his kryptonite.
Apologies. I never payed attention to the large yellow words, assumed it was a sound effect. Now your point has some merit but like I said, it doesn't really matter. DeFalco made an unusual amount of hubbub over heights.
Originally posted by zopzop
Those scans are ancient. I'm looking for scans post 1980 that have Ulik doing anything special UNENHANCED by outside sources unless those enhancements are permanent now and hence a part of his powerset.
Originally posted by zopzop3 low showings in 30 years is the way to go about him being weaker...
KOed by falling off a building. KOed by having a grenade shoved in his mouth. Screaming in fear as he plummets from another building (he's not seen again, so either he ran or was KOed again).
What a piece of trash character.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was something worth mentioning. And since we're over-analyzing shit, it's now my stance that Ulik was weakened below normal levels. Why else would he actually fear to face Thor? I don't think that's ever been the case at that point. Ulik is not lacking in confidence.
Sure he is. He didn't use that amulet when facing the panicking Herc (he didn't know he was having psychological problems at the time). As soon as he was ready for his showdown with Thor, he activated his amp.
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3903/ulik1.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2059/ulik2.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8149/ulik3.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1998/ulik4.jpg
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6237/ulik5.jpg
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/1296/ulik6.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/394/ulik7.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2636/ulik8.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2556/ulik9.jpg
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/2241/ulik10.jpg
Thank you for those. But how is this showing vastly superior to Colossus vs Gladiator/Juggernaut/Hulk? I still see Colossus taking the majority of wins. He's fought more varied beings in Thor's physical class than Ulik has.
