Sebastian Shaw (movie) vs Thor (movie)

Originally posted by h1a8
Advanced healing from powerless form to powered form only though.

IOW, his powered form has advanced healing, thanks for agreeing.

Nice point. But then there would be no debate. For the sake of having a reasonable debate then it is reasonable to assume that whatever force level Thor can dish out can also hurt him. This is like many characters in comics and real life in the same strength range can hurt each other. The only character I know whose durability greatly outweighs his strength is Juggernaut.

So, we should place limits on Thor's durability that were never shown in the movie?

Yo.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, his powered form has advanced healing, thanks for agreeing.

thats not quite accurate; being healed becuz U changed forms doesnt mean 1 form has enhanced/advanced healing attributes; it just means that CHANGING from 1 to the other healed him.

he could suffer a tremendous blow in his normal form, be on the verge of death, change to mortal form............and be saved then as well. are we to now say that his mortal form has advanced healing?? I dont think so.

as we can say for sure is that getting back his "godly form" appeared to save his life; saying that it has advanced healing would be a statement not born out of fact, but of wishing.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, we should place limits on Thor's durability that were never shown in the movie?

I agree, as we didnt see too much of it

Tazer

I have watched First Class yesterday and I think Thor would win. He would have some troubles at the beginning, because a strike or blast would just empower Shaw. However, Shaw seemed to have limits, at least he needed some time to abosrb the energy and he also seemed to struggle. If Thor can unleash as much energy as a nuke in a an blast it might be enough. Or if he sees how useless it is to waste energy on shaw he might take him into the air, where shaw would be helpless and kill him slowly (like magneto), Shaw wasn't invulnerable.

Shaw never struggled to absorb energy in the movie.

Mags killed him because Xavier was in his head.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, his powered form has advanced healing, thanks for agreeing.

So, we should place limits on Thor's durability that were never shown in the movie?

You have been caught yet again Silent. You want to place limits on how much Shaw can absorb, even though those limits were never shown in the movie. You were yelling no limits fallacy and saying we can't assume Shaw had no limits. Yet here, you want to assume Thor also had no durability limits because it wasn't shown in the movie? So on one hand you yell no limit fallacy.. yet use one when arguing for a character you like... Typical Short Bus Silent at his finest.

Originally posted by Mindset
Shaw never struggled to absorb energy in the movie.

Mags killed him because Xavier was in his head.

It looked like it put a strain on him imho. He looked old and shifted and didn't look like the times before, where he absorbed everything with a smile. So yes, I think it was difficult for him and near his limit. He also didn't absorbed the whole reactor.

Yes Xavier was in his head but still a coin wouldn't have killed him if mags would shoot it with force, he had to kill him slowly imo, so that shawns powers won't absorb the impact.

Shaw and easy.

I think it's more likely that he needs to mentally activate his power than the coin killing him because it was moving in slowly. At least it'd make more sense and wouldn't be as silly. Could the entire scene have been in slow motion? I haven't watched it again.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think it's more likely that he needs to mentally activate his power than the coin killing him because it was moving in slowly. At least it'd make more sense and wouldn't be as silly. Could the entire scene have been in slow motion? I haven't watched it again.

Are you sure? I don't the scene too clearly. I'll have to re-watch it before I make a definitive statement.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you sure? I don't the scene too clearly. I'll have to re-watch it before I make a definitive statement.

And charles, who was in shaw's mind, was screaming for a long time.

Those led me to believe it was in real time not slow motion.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It looked like it put a strain on him imho. He looked old and shifted and didn't look like the times before, where he absorbed everything with a smile. So yes, I think it was difficult for him and near his limit. He also didn't absorbed the whole reactor.

Yes Xavier was in his head but still a coin wouldn't have killed him if mags would shoot it with force, he had to kill him slowly imo, so that shawns powers won't absorb the impact.

The coin wouldn't have killed him if his powers were active, they weren't because of Xavier.

Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't look like it to me. Yea, but he was going to absorb it all.

The coin wouldn't have killed him if his powers were active, they weren't because of Xavier.

To me it looked that way. His skin was looking old, grey and it didn't looked as easy like before, it was also more energy after all. I think it should make it more impressive, that he needed to focus more. Yeah he was going to, but I'm not sure if he would succeed.

It wouldn't have killed him because he would stop it with his hand. I don't think that Charles shut down his powers, I'm not sure charles can do it to him anyway. He controlled his mind and his movements, so he couldn't do anything but I think that shawns power works also passive, so he can't be catched by surprise (bullets in the back). So if mags would shoot the coin with speed it wouldn't do nothing, shaw would absorb the kinetic energy and be fine. He had to do it slowly, it looked like that imho and would make sense. Anyway, if shaw would have control over his body he would pick the coint and prevent his death 😉.

Of course he would succeed, that was why Magneto had to stop him.

Slow moving objects have ke, the only reason it worked is because Xavier was in his head.

Yo.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It looked like it put a strain on him imho. He looked old and shifted and didn't look like the times before, where he absorbed everything with a smile. So yes, I think it was difficult for him and near his limit. He also didn't absorbed the whole reactor.

Yes Xavier was in his head but still a coin wouldn't have killed him if mags would shoot it with force, he had to kill him slowly imo, so that shawns powers won't absorb the impact.

Shaw never *struggled* to absorb energy in the movie, but there were time limits to how much he could take in apparently, or else he wouldnt have taken as long to drain that reactor as he did.............then again he may've been doing dbl-duty in that feat since Im pretty sure radiation HAD TO BE an issue, so maybe that made his task take longer than normal.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No it wasn't it slow motion. I know that. Although I don't know how he made it go so slow and still through shaws head.

the coin moved slow, but I dont think the event itself was in slow-motion.

I do agree about how questionable that scene was, given that he made it move thru Shaws head w/o altering its shape or anything...........

Tazer

Originally posted by Mindset
Of course he would succeed, that was why Magneto had to stop him.

Slow moving objects have ke, the only reason it worked is because Xavier was in his head.

Maybe it would destroy him and with him everything in a big radius? He had to be stopped either way.

Yes but it's not big, maybe even tolow to activate Shawns powers. Would also explain why Emma had to catch the knife, it wasn't very fast thrown.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

thats not quite accurate; being healed becuz U changed forms doesnt mean 1 form has enhanced/advanced healing attributes; it just means that CHANGING from 1 to the other healed him.

he could suffer a tremendous blow in his normal form, be on the verge of death, change to mortal form............and be saved then as well. are we to now say that his mortal form has advanced healing?? I dont think so.

as we can say for sure is that getting back his "godly form" appeared to save his life; saying that it has advanced healing would be a statement not born out of fact, but of wishing.

Tazer

Where in the movie was it stated that just changing forms heals the person?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You have been caught yet again Silent. You want to place limits on how much Shaw can absorb, even though those limits were never shown in the movie. You were yelling no limits fallacy and saying we can't assume Shaw had no limits. Yet here, you want to assume Thor also had no durability limits because it wasn't shown in the movie? So on one hand you yell no limit fallacy.. yet use one when arguing for a character you like... Typical Short Bus Silent at his finest.

You really are slow aren't you?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where in the movie was it stated that just changing forms heals the person?

Originally posted by DarkOdin
IT did show it healed Thro when he became a god again so it should work in reverse, however it doesn't show in the movie that Thor can control transforming back and forth to his mortal body. Thor left him hammer on loki and didn't revert back to being mortal actually Odin strips Thor of his pwoers and it appeared that while in the Odinsleep Odin allowed Mjolnir to go to Thor.

Except it was never stated that changing forms is what healed him....Thor getting his powers back is what healed him. therefore until shown otherwise, it's logical to assume that healing is part of his power.