Sebastian Shaw vs Magneto round 2

Im going to move this coin when I count to three...

if magneto took any longer, Shaw would have resisted finally the mind-r@pe that xavier was spelling on him. any second longer and boom sabastian shaw would have won.

Do not forget that Shaw absorbed a majority of the nuclear reactor in his vessel allowing him to literally be invulnerable for a time while dispersing energy against magneto before his imminent plan of ww3 (odd that he has a reactor (supplied by Soviets obviously), but odd enough that there are no protective suites for the others (do not forget that Soviets at the time rarely checked the toxicity level or had in law laws that demanded protection of their crew members (thanks to communism that this happened))).

Magneto was playing his cards right. He took the helmet and game over.

No rematch for anyone, sorry. Magneto had obstacles even combating sebastian shaw. shaw was surrouned by his entrouge of guys that dont talk. one on one? Magneto wins - young or old.

I dunno, aged Mags was pretty bad ass

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I gathered it like this. Shaw can only absorb stuff if he's sanely aware and by his will. Meaning when the grenade went off he had to willingly absorb it. However if he's sleeping and his room explodes he'd probably die since he wasn't prepared for it. Make sense?

Shaw absorbing the explosion is different, as he actively tries to gain the energy around him. When energy directly strikes his body, he absorbs it automatically. When he was getting hit with bullets from all directions, he didn't have to do a thing, nor could he be aware of where and when the bullets would hit him.

Now, if somehow his powers were "turned off", the slow moving coin would not have entered his skull at that speed. Instead the coin would just push his body back. Watch X2, where Xavier brain freezes everyone in the mall. One of the mutant kids pushes a mind-frozen bystander, and the person simply wobbles.

Now, the only reason Shaw could've stayed in place while the coin pushed against him, was if he was actively using his powers, including his super-strength to stay in place. However, this is a contradiction. If he was using his powers (assuming he has to turn them "on", which he doesn't, then he should've simply absorbed the kinetic energy of the coin). Also, Xavier explicitly did not want Magneto to kill Shaw, then why would he make Shaw hold himself in place with his super-strength, thus allowing Magneto to kill him?

I'd say it comes down to the writers not thinking it through thoroughly, or assumed the audience wouldn't. Either way, from what was shown about Shaw and his powers, he should not have been able to be killed that way.

As for the fight, there really isn't much Magneto can do to Shaw directly. If it started up close, assuming Shaw has some energy to start with, can just make the ship explode. The idea of Magneto levitating up and taking down the ship immediately does sound viable to me. However, I don't think Magneto would do that straight up. He has a personal vendetta against Shaw, he would want to kill Shaw in a more intimate manner.

I think this setting favors Magneto. Perhaps on land, in a city, it would be a more epic fight.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I gathered it like this. Shaw can only absorb stuff if he's sanely aware and by his will. Meaning when the grenade went off he had to willingly absorb it. However if he's sleeping and his room explodes he'd probably die since he wasn't prepared for it. Make sense?

Another interesting fact that is probably off-topic. By Xavier making the connection between his mind and Shaws, he feel every bit the pain of the coin going through Shaw, therefore altering his relationship with Erik forever. This is why he's screaming so dramatically during the scene.

I thought the exact same thing. 👆

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Xavier didn't want Magneto to kill Shaw, but he wasn't just going to let Shaw kill Magneto.

now why wouldn't it be possible for mag to push that coin through shaws head?

magneto is a good public speaker.

Magneto can push it through his head. Magneto could rip out iron out of people's bodies. He can "feel the metal" moving. He has up most control of it. Magneto made the coin into a moving spear into Shaw's head. Shaw was frozen and concentrating on fighting Xavier's control over his mind so most of his functions were inept to Magneto's coin trick.
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Why wouldn't it be possible? It seems more likely the truth considering the fact that he has absorbed a fricken nuclear reactor. he would have to expend that energy in order for a coin to be pushed into his head. so it would take a trillion coins =P, look out vegas!!

meh shaw was a shit character anyways

Magneto punched Shaw in the face!

Made him reel back, lol. Such an inconsistent character.....Unless.

Shaw can only absorb what he's aware of.

like i said a shit character

How the hell is Shaw a shit character?

i don't like him thats how

Originally posted by Placidity
Shaw absorbing the explosion is different, as he actively tries to gain the energy around him. When energy directly strikes his body, he absorbs it automatically. When he was getting hit with bullets from all directions, he didn't have to do a thing, nor could he be aware of where and when the bullets would hit him.

Now, if somehow his powers were "turned off", the slow moving coin would not have entered his skull at that speed. Instead the coin would just push his body back. Watch X2, where Xavier brain freezes everyone in the mall. One of the mutant kids pushes a mind-frozen bystander, and the person simply wobbles.

Now, the only reason Shaw could've stayed in place while the coin pushed against him, was if he was actively using his powers, including his super-strength to stay in place. However, this is a contradiction. If he was using his powers (assuming he has to turn them "on", which he doesn't, then he should've simply absorbed the kinetic energy of the coin). Also, Xavier explicitly did not want Magneto to kill Shaw, then why would he make Shaw hold himself in place with his super-strength, thus allowing Magneto to kill him?

I'd say it comes down to the writers not thinking it through thoroughly, or assumed the audience wouldn't. Either way, from what was shown about Shaw and his powers, he should not have been able to be killed that way.

As for the fight, there really isn't much Magneto can do to Shaw directly. If it started up close, assuming Shaw has some energy to start with, can just make the ship explode. The idea of Magneto levitating up and taking down the ship immediately does sound viable to me. However, I don't think Magneto would do that straight up. He has a personal vendetta against Shaw, he would want to kill Shaw in a more intimate manner.

I think this setting favors Magneto. Perhaps on land, in a city, it would be a more epic fight.

I agree with the majority of what you listed however I disagree on how Magneto will approach Shaw. I believe you are correct when assuming that Magneto in his young form will hold a personal vendetta against Shaw and will have a interest in battling him more mano a mano, however Old Magneto is more aware of his opponents strength and weaknesses, it was evident in the first movie where he waited for the X-men to reach the top before immobilizing them because that would give him a advantage. Old magneto is fully aware of Shaws capabilities and I think that Magneto knowing that a direct assault is pretty pointless will work with that from the beginning of the fight.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
i don't like him thats how

Sebastian Shaw has to have a limitation on his power that he does not absorb very low levels of kinetic energy. If he absorbed all kinetic energy then he could not make himself walk, he could not pump blood through his veins, and he would be deaf.

That said, even if the writers tried off this idea of 'slow vulnerability' the Coin would be exerting enough kinetic energy to penetrate his skull which should be more than sufficient energy to absorb.

As for Shaw versus Old Magneto? Magneto should be able to move trace metals in Shaws body to cause a stroke. Or, block his veins to completely deprive his brain of blood. Or, just drown him. Or, carefully lift him into space. Or, collect a reflective panel in space and fry him with radiation. Or, condense mass around Shaw so he can gain minimal energy due to no leverage and then enact any of the above plans. I could go on and on. Magnetism really is one of the most powerful ones.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
How the hell is Shaw a shit character?

Becaause of what I said.

'k, so his powers have a bit of confusion/inconsistency to them. That doesn't demean his character or anything though. He was still a great villain in the movie.

Didn't you gays pay attention at all? Shaw is not match for Magneto unless he's already super-powerfully amped up.

When they met on the yacht and Shaw only had whatever remaining energy left from the grenade, he ran from Magneto.

When they met in the submarine and Shaw had absorbed massive amounts of radiation, he was more than a match for Magneto.

Old Magneto obliterates here.

Originally posted by Robtard
Didn't you gays pay attention at all? Shaw is not match for Magneto unless he's already super-powerfully amped up.
When they met on the yacht and Shaw only had whatever remaining energy left from the grenade, he ran from Magneto.
When they met in the submarine and Shaw had absorbed massive amounts of radiation, he was more than a match for Magneto.

Old Magneto obliterates here.

Yet radiation amped Shaw copped a punch in the face and reeled from it.
But could take steel pylons without flinching, all in the same scene.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
'k, so his powers have a bit of confusion/inconsistency to them. That doesn't demean his character or anything though. He was still a great villain in the movie.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Yet radiation amped Shaw copped a punch in the face and reeled from it.
But could take steel pylons without flinching, all in the same scene.

Bits of stupid writing aside, it was clear that Magneto was no match for Shaw at that power-level he achieved.