Magneto vs Power Girl

Originally posted by cdtm
Huh? That was by way of example, not a statement of how many punches PG could throw.

The number is beside the point. The point, is that defending under class 100 level punches at super speed should be more of a strain on Magneto then defending against a single class 100 level punch.

Also, if he's defending against an assault of punches, how much of Mags focus can he spare for this "blitz of energy" you mention?

And by substantiation, I mean if Power Girl's never thrown 1,000 class 100 punches in a second breaching shields on the level of Magneto's, what the hell is the point of this discussion in the first place?

Originally posted by cdtm
And, who has he taken out with such a blitz? Thor? Gladiator? Hulk?

Because somehow, by equivocating this entire time, you've somehow proven that Power Girl utilizes these (unquantified) speedblitzes already. Somehow, by not quantifying and not proving what Power Girl's speedblitz is, the shoe's on my foot.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Quantifying and defining what you're talking about so that I know what type of Magneto feats I should be reaching for is completely besides the point? Much less substantiating what you're talking about in the first place?

And by substantiation, I mean if Power Girl's never thrown 1,000 class 100 punches in a second breaching shields on the level of Magneto's, what the hell is the point of this discussion in the first place? And, whose shields has Power Girl taken out with such a speedblitz? Hal Jordan's? Dr. Light's? Braniac 5's?

Because somehow, by equivocating this entire time, you've somehow proven that Power Girl utilizes these speedblitzes already.

So you're arguing PG can't perform a speedblitz? Against evidence to the contrary? (Like Wonder Woman claiming Power Girls at least as fast as she is, with feats to prove it). Aren't you the same guy who keeps arguing for Thor being a speedster?

Fine, then she keeps wailing at Magneto with "normal" speed punches, until Mags tires.

Unless you have some kind of evidence that Magneto can down someone her level, while maintaining his shields against her assault.

Originally posted by cdtm
So you're arguing PG can't perform a speedblitz? Against evidence to the contrary? (Like Wonder Woman claiming Power Girls at least as fast as she is, with feats to prove it). Aren't you the same guy who keeps arguing for Thor being a speedster?

Of course, somehow, you quantifying much less substantiating what it is you're actually talking about is an unreasonable request. I get it. You keep your claims vague, use a loaded term, but still ham-fistedly require that I give you specific answers (and proof) to rebut these presumptions that you forced onto the discussion.

Originally posted by cdtm
Fine, then she keeps wailing at Magneto with "normal" speed punches, until Mags tires.

Unless you have some kind of evidence that Magneto can down someone her level, while maintaining his shields against her assault.

Unless you have some kind of evidence that Power Girl can down someone his level, while maintaining consciousness against his assault.

Also, somehow, I'm going to avoid actually showing Magneto performing such a forcefield feat by deflecting for about three or four more posts. Eventually, you won't even remember that I avoided proving it in the first place. After all, proving he does stuff like that is "completely besides the point." Don't you get it, yet?

Magneto speedblitzes her

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]I'm asking that you show me how fast and strong a Power Girl speedblitz is.

So you hyper-analyze Power Girls speedblitz potential...

Because you're the one that wants to discuss the speedblitz. Thor beats the phuck out of non-Flash speedsters, he isn't a speedster.

...while having a much laxer standard on Thor's speed. And I'm the hypocrite. 🙄

You keep your claims vague, use a loaded term, but still ham-fistedly require that I give you specific answers (and proof) to rebut these presumptions that you forced onto the discussion. Fine, then Magneto uses a forcefield that withstands Power Girl's "normal" speed punches and doesn't tire him out.

"Speed blitz" is a loaded term, now? 🙄

So, are you asking me to "prove" Magneto can tire? To prove that he can't maintain his shield indefinitely? To prove that a class 100 punching on his shield will require no effort on his part?

Is that your argument?

And that, somehow failing to prove this, you don't need to "prove" that Magneto can knock out PG, since he's the one at her mercy if he can't do so?

Sure, whatever.

Screw ODG, he's pretty obviously arguing in bad faith..

Anyways, I figured out for myself how Mags could win: Solar energy rip.

Triumph has the ability to control the EM spectrum, and could have killed Superman by ripping the solar energy out of his system. Even maintaining a shield against a speed blitz, it shouldn't take that much effort on Mags part to do this..

So yeah, Magneto wins this.

Originally posted by cdtm
So you hyper-analyze Power Girls speedblitz potential...

Originally posted by cdtm
...while having a much laxer standard on Thor's speed. And I'm the hypocrite. 🙄

Originally posted by cdtm
"Speed blitz" is a loaded term, now? 🙄

You say "speedblitz," all that happens without you doing sh1t while being completely vague. But... not a loaded term at all!

Originally posted by cdtm
So, are you asking me to "prove" Magneto can tire? To prove that he can't maintain his shield indefinitely? To prove that a class 100 punching on his shield will require no effort on his part?

Is that your argument?

And that, somehow failing to prove this, you don't need to "prove" that Magneto can knock out PG?

Sure, whatever.

Just showing you that shoving my hands in my pocket and demanding you come up with a counter to some unquantified, much less unsupported feat by Magneto isn't an honest query.

But whatever: Magneto has Power Girl+ forcefields and is capable of a Power Girl+ energy blast blitz. (Never mind that I haven't shown sh1t to quantify, much less substantiate that.) Your move.

Originally posted by cdtm
Anyways, I figured out for myself how Mags could win: Solar energy rip.

Triumph has the ability to control the EM spectrum, and could have killed Superman by ripping the solar energy out of his system. Even maintaining a shield against a speed blitz, it shouldn't take that much effort on Mags part to do this..

So yeah, Magneto wins this.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Just showing you that shoving my hands in my pocket and demanding you come up with a counter to some unquantified, much less unsupported feat by Magneto isn't an honest query.

So basically, you're trolling.

Ok.

^ Specious arguments and backhanded deflections float your boat, but you're upset when they sink it too.

Shocking.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Apparently, it's so blatantly obvious what that term entails, that you don't even have to quantify it or refer to a single instance of it being done by Power Girl. Some vague reference to Wonder Woman suffices and all of a sudden, not only should I take for granted how fast and strong it is (and how often she'd do it in a fight), I must now be forced to prove a defense against it. Awesome!

Does your issue with "speed blitz" arguments extend to meta levelers? Say, whenever someone argues that Cassandra Cain, being a bullet dodger, can outright blitz Batman, despite never really blitzing someone in comic, would you argue against it?

Originally posted by cdtm
Does your issue with "speed blitz" arguments extend to meta levelers? Say, whenever someone argues that Cassandra Cain, being a bullet dodger, can outright blitz Captain America, despite never really blitzing someone in comic, would you argue against it?

I'd suggest that's hypocritical and then that poster would probably deflect for about 10 posts about how he isn't being hypocritical. Then the discussion would become so tedious that Sr J-Bieb would come in and post that the bullets would speedblitz Cap and Cassandra.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then the discussion would become so tedious that Sr J-Bieb would come in and post that the bullets would speedblitz Cap and Cassandra.

Also, again lol at Powergirl blitzing Magneto

PG 8-9/10

lol

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb

Also, again lol at Powergirl blitzing Magneto

Magneto doesn't have FTL reactions and I'm almost certain he has like one genuine lightspeed reaction feat which was later invalidated in the same storyline.

hes going to get his head punched off before he can react its not that hard

Can someone please show me Power Girl combating or blitzing at light speeds or even close to it?

Originally posted by carver9
Can someone please show me Power Girl combating or blitzing at light speeds or even close to it?

Is this a Herochat logic vs CBR logic kind of thing?

CBR goes "Do they have super speed? Then they can blitz. Doesn't matter if they never have." (See Val Armorr, or any Kryptonian or Daxamite that has "racial" super speed.)

Herochat logic goes more like "Examples of them blitzing? What, that's ALL you have? One instance in 50 years of history means they'll win 1/10, max". (See basically every mainstream hero with super speed, ever.)

Personally, I thought KMC rules favored the CBR style more, with an emphasis on CIS and PIS being off by default. The "In character" thing I interpret more as whether they kill or not...

ODG won.

Magneto wins.

Some things you just have to accept.

Hrm, rechecked the rules, and CIS is actually on by default.

But by the description, that's more in line with stupidity or self imposed limits, e.g. Superman won't hit with killing force, which lack of super speed could be interpreted more of a PIS thing (Keep the plot going.)