Originally posted by SasuOnaWhat him grabbing Gaystar? He's also reacted to Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Thor's hammer, etc.
Magneto doesn't have FTL reactions and I'm almost certain he has like one genuine lightspeed reaction feat which was later invalidated in the same storyline.hes going to get his head punched off before he can react its not that hard
While Power Girl did... uh dunno...
Anyone who thinks Power Girl blitzes Magneto is either gay, or super gay.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What him grabbing Gaystar? He's also reacted to Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Thor's hammer, etc.
EVERY speedster gets written down to match unproven speedster foes, though.
Superman and Grundy, Doomsday, Lobo.
Spiderman to Daredevil, Shang Chi, Daredevil, Kingpin, Daredevil.
For extreme cases, Flash to Slade.
To be fair, I used an argument that Power Girl has matched Wonder Woman, but the difference is PG didn't merely match WW, she did so in a context that explicitly took super speed into account, and even offensively used super speed against WW.
Plus, PG is Kryptonian. Is it really up for debate that ALL Kryptonians, even the mooks from New Krypton with zero feats, aren't speedsters by default, with the debatable part being how fast they stand next to top tier Kryptonians and such? (In the same way all Cheeta's are fast, but some are faster then the average, and some are slower then the average?)
Originally posted by cdtmYet you're trying to say that a character you've never seen blitz can blitz someone who has great reactions...
Make 7up yours!...and I'm actually not a fan of the speedblitz arguments myself.. Kind of ruins awesome matches like Lady Shiva vs Daredevil, depending on the forum...
Color me dubious
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Yet you're trying to say that a character you've never seen blitz can blitz someone who has great reactions...Color me dubious
Is the fact of her speed what we're debating, or whether she can "blitz" with it?
I can prove she has super speed. I can even prove she's outpaced another speedster. Proving an all out blitz is another story.
But, if all she did her entire career is, say, catch bullets, in a forum fight, why wouldn't she use that speed for hitting? How someone fights in comics is different then how they fight in the arena, without writers holding them back, isn't it?
Provided they prove they "have" the speed, even if they never used it in a certain way?
Originally posted by cdtmGood point. It's impossible for Magneto to have good reactions following your logic.
EVERY speedster gets written down to match unproven speedster foes, though.Superman and Grundy, Doomsday, Lobo.
Spiderman to Daredevil, Shang Chi, Daredevil, Kingpin, Daredevil.
For extreme cases, Flash to Slade.
To be fair, I used an argument that Power Girl has matched Wonder Woman, but the difference is PG didn't merely match WW, she did so in a context that explicitly took super speed into account, and even offensively used super speed against WW.
Plus, PG is Kryptonian. Is it really up for debate that ALL Kryptonians, even the mooks from New Krypton with zero feats, aren't speedsters by default, with the debatable part being how fast they stand next to top tier Kryptonians and such? (In the same way all Cheeta's are fast, but some are faster then the average, and some are slower then the average?)
Also, Wonder Woman was written down to match an unproven speedster in Power Girl, I agree with you there.
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Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Good point. It's impossible for Magneto to have good reactions following your logic.Also, Wonder Woman was written down to match an unproven speedster in Power Girl, I agree with you there.
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😮💨 Yeah, I guess that IS what I proved...
So, what about the "Cheeta" analogy? Does a Kryptonian have an accepted "power set", whose strength is variable in the same way species vary in stats, or do their power sets need to be proven on a case by case basis? (Barring exceptions, like Lor Zod's TK.)
Originally posted by cdtmConsidering you just tried to take away all of Magneto's speed feats, and attribute a blitz to Power Girl, I'd say you made up your mind a long time ago that you planned to be ultra gay in this thread.
Is the fact of her speed what we're debating, or whether she can "blitz" with it?I can prove she has super speed. I can even prove she's outpaced another speedster. Proving an all out blitz is another story.
But, if all she did her entire career is, say, catch bullets, in a forum fight, why wouldn't she use that speed for hitting? How someone fights in comics is different then how they fight in the arena, without writers holding them back, isn't it?
Provided they prove they "have" the speed, even if they never used it in a certain way?
And people can prove Magneto can react. Fancy that. Oh wait, people can prove he can react to a blitz... they don't have to say he's going to do something that he never does.
Well first off, catching bullets isn't punching. Second off, CIS is still active which means character induced stupidity, which means they fight how they fight in comics. Writers not holding them back doesn't mean they'll start using new strategies, it means they're not going to hold back.
Well, if they never used the speed in a certain way, then certainly they'll be using it here, amirite?
Originally posted by cdtmYup, Power Girl is unproven speedster, and WW was written down.
😮💨 Yeah, I guess that IS what I proved...So, what about the "Cheeta" analogy? Does a Kryptonian have an accepted "power set", whose strength is variable in the same way species vary in stats, or do their power sets need to be proven on a case by case basis? (Barring exceptions, like Lor Zod's TK.)
I'd say it's more of a mind set (even though Power Girl has no where near Zod, or Superman's speed), like it's in PG's mind that she won't blitz Magneto, and she will lose to him all day.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Well first off, catching bullets isn't punching.Second off, CIS is still active which means character induced stupidity, which means they fight how they fight in comics. Writers not holding them back doesn't mean they'll start using new strategies, it means they're not going to hold back.Isn't that PIS, not CIS?
This is from the rules:
[quote]Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
So, Bizarro not using his super speed = PIS. Bizarro being really tactically stupid = CIS.
Leastways, that's how it sounds to me.
Well, if they never used the speed in a certain way, then certainly they'll be using it here, amirite?
But tossing punches or dodging? Even if they do this stuff at non super speeds?
I'm not saying they use their speed in new, exotic ways, I'm implying they apply that speed towards the way they normally fight, even if they NEVER do that in comics.
Originally posted by cdtmThe plot won't allow Flash to use his speed. We know he has it. We know he uses it. Him not using his speed is PIS, because that's what he's known for. It's not his stupidity that doesn't allow him to use his speed, it's strictly plot. Unlike PG, who is not known for using effective speed at all, also she sucks.
Isn't that PIS, not CIS?This is from the rules:
So, Bizarro not using his super speed = PIS. Bizarro being really tactically stupid = CIS.
Leastways, that's how it sounds to me.
Originally posted by cdtmHow is that not new, or exotic for them then?
But tossing punches or dodging? Even if they do this stuff at non super speeds?I'm not saying they use their speed in new, exotic ways, I'm implying they apply that speed towards the way they normally fight, even if they NEVER do that in comics.
How about this, and I know it's crazy, but bear with me... how about Power Girl fights the way she normally does in comics?
Originally posted by cdtm
Probably not much point in posting these, seeing it seems like everyones mind is made up, but just to prove PG does have speed feats:PG (and Supergirl) build complicated machinery within minutes, what it would take 'Mr. Terrific days:
Which comic was that from? I don't recognize it and it looks interesting.
Originally posted by cdtm
Probably not much point in posting these, seeing it seems like everyones mind is made up, but just to prove PG does have speed feats:PG (and Supergirl) build complicated machinery within minutes, what it would take 'Mr. Terrific days:
PG blitzing Wonder Woman:
Faster then a speeding bullet:
Cool scans. I like how PG looks in the first scan [csm[droolio[/csm]
Did the battle with Diana continue or was it stopped? Can you post the fight. Looks interesting and lol@PG's monologue
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Cool scans. I like how PG looks in the first scan [csm[droolio[/csm]
Did the battle with Diana continue or was it stopped? Can you post the fight. Looks interesting and lol@PG's monologue