He didn't overpower Hyperion. It was made pretty clear during the battle that the two were pretty much identical in regards to power levels. Hyperion just lacked the experience of fighting beings on his level that Gladiator had. It allowed Kallark to gain the advantage.
I'm fine with you arguing that Gladiator is a superior/more formidable combatant as that was the intent of the writer, but if you're using that as evidence to argue that Gladiator proved to be stronger, I disagree.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It's the size of a city. I don't have a scanner anymore but I can make a Photo for you with my phone, tonight and upload it, where you can see it. A large citylike complex. And it's full of millions of tons of weapons. Let's say it's on par, so calm down.
I remember seeing the ships from take off and they looked big but as large as a city? Gladiator stated it was an entire complex and the explosion of the ship he carried destroyed a mountain peak or two I believe.
Did it actually say that the ship was packing millions of tons of weapons? There’s no need to post pictures. I have the issues and I can dig them out if necessary.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Actually you did. Wait, I will explain it to you in the end, a summary, just for you, it will be...wait for it... interesting.
I’m on the edge of my seat.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You don't have to become angry just because I disagree with you. Just a game, calm down.
Not angry. I am irritated however.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yes a lesser Skyscraper feat as for the Asgard feat, it belongs to the Ship feat, that would be the right way to compare. Understand it? And still the Asgard feat was not as good because BRB was there. But read the summary.Yes and this is where I should put something to match it. Something like Glads moving a moon or a Planet. Not only hyperbole, which I did like you did previously, though I don't think it's sufficient.
Relax. You will get a stroke.
I don’t care what way you compare them in your head. You claimed I was comparing the feats incorrectly. As I showed, in my initial post, that’s the way I approached the post. If you had stated that you don’t think it’s fair to Gladiator, then I’d have understood but you claimed I was wrong, which is bullshit.
Either ignore what’s stated on panel or accept it. Don’t flip flop back and forth depending on how it suits you.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yet it flies, from your direction to be honest. Again, it's all in the summary. But I don't want to further anger you. You need to calm down your Rage.
Then I challenge you to a Gladiator vs. Thor strength battle zone. Five judges, and a set number of posts. Since I’m clearly the one in error here, it’ll be easy for you.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I did, like I do with the Glads hyperbole.Most likely.
And yet in the same breath you accept that he can move a planet.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Impressive, durability. Still, resisting the gravity of a star even a neutron star is not the same as pulling or lifting one, is it?
Durability was a factor but he overcame that gravity with sheer might. Do you consider it to be on the same level as planet destroying? If not, why?
Who gives a shit. It’s still a high end strength feat.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Impressive. It should crush every bone of Thor and of all the other Asgardians who were affected... wait, the others are fine too! Hyperbole? I'm not sure, still impressive. Though he didn't lift anything but himself with higher gravity.
It didn’t, get over it. It’s superior to any "hyperbole" type feat Gladiator has.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I have looked at your scan and didn't see anything compareable to Glads feats, just the one superior Midgard serpent feat (and even one could bother to argue it). And no stryking feat on par with the planet buster that didn't include Mjolnir.
You just admitted that lifting Asgard was on par with Gladiator moving the Starship and superior to lifting the Skyscraper. Resisting a Neutron Star’s gravity requires the same level of high end strength as destroying a planet. Thor’s feats match Gladiator’s best and only go up from there.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
If i would be desperate i would post the Marvel Handbook entry, that rates Glads strength as incalculable while listing Thors strength as Class 100. But I don't, it doesn't matter to me 😉.
Though I'm surprised to see you enraged.
That wasn’t desperation? Haha, you we’re arguing about the damn boat for Christ sake.
I call someone idiotic when they’re being idiotic. That doesn’t mean I’m enraged. The only thing that would actually cause me to be frustrated is the fact that this pointless debate is derailing the thread.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
No he wouldn't, now you talk BullSh!t and you know it. He could break the Armor of an Celestial with his fists? Masterson and Drago could send schockwaves through the galaxy with their fists? Give me a break.
As a matter of fact, yes, I do think he could. I don’t believe he could accomplish the second unless it’s a very high end portrayal. If he ever did something on that level, it'd be on par with his greatest strength feat. Thor once overpowered the World Engine with raw strength, so he can operate on such a scale in terms of sheer might.
I’ve read every one of Thor’s appearances and I’m telling you that this is the case most of the time. Mjolnir is just a substitute for Thor’s fists on average. Like he himself said, he has three hammers, not one:
You’re making the mistake that Tyr and various other idiots have:
Mjolnir for all it’s power is just a tool:
There’s a reason why Thor’s own godly innate essence is superior to Mjolnir’s output and Odin takes a piece of Thor’s power when he creates clones such as Beta Ray Bill.
Here’s a better example, Simonson had Thor strike Gladiator with Mjolnir and yet had Gladiator comment that they were equal in strength:
It says more about writer mentality than anything we could come up with speculation
There was a time when energy amping would give him a nice bump in regards to striking power. It should be noted that in modern Marvel they draw lightning around the hammer simply because it’s cool and not as some visual cue. Although even back in the day it usually had a bit of supportive dialogue or action.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
She would accomplish more, she would gain Thors powers after all +. Well, when Superman couldn't break through the forcefield of Krona, he got Mjolnir and it enchanced his striking power to accomplish this task, didn't it?
Nah, she’d still be Thor level similar to Bill. Yes, it did. I don’t think you understand that I’m not arguing Mjolnir doesn’t amp striking power, it’s just that on average, there isn’t much difference.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Mjolnir strikes >>> Thor's punches. Accept it. I can hit you with a hammer and with my fist, what would hurt more. Jesus. This isn't even arguable.
Not really. A high end charged Mjolnir strike would add a noticeable bump in power but he doesn’t do that 90% of the time. Real world applications don’t apply here bro.
And calm down, no need to get so upset.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I have, that's why you are so pissed? Because I don't accept your "feats" like you want me to. Because, truth be told, they aren't worth what you want them to be.On the contrary. I posted 3 feats and saw that it's not neccessary to post more, as you failed to match them. For the lone exception of the midgard serpent, which I admitted is a superior lifting feat.
You don’t have to accept anything that you don’t want to, it’s the derailing because you have nothing to match what I’ve posted that is irritating.
Oh really? So you have more feats that I have yet to see? Post them away then.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
As for striking feats. Thor didn't do anything as impressive with his FISTS.
baka
Yet in the same breath you’re arguing about Thor closing a hole in space/time with Hercules? Common, step up your game.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Wreck worlds... in what time? And you could argue that the Planet was the smallest size possible, like Pluto or the size of our moon, but it's about it. However, the dimension feat however is really ambiguous and it wasn't even accomplished by Thor alone 😐.
It can’t take any longer than Gladiator, dude was pounding away for almost an entire page.
It’s ambiguous, as opposed to what, Gladiator destroying a dead world of unknown size of an unknown race? The writer intended Thor/Hercules to be operating on a level capable of wrecking worlds in terms of might, and as a result I place the feats on the same level. You don’t because it’s too ambiguous?
I could argue that the planet was the size of Mount Everest if I wanted to and you don’t have any actual evidence to say otherwise. It had life once? So what? It’s was an alien race. What’s my point? The feat is as no less ambigious than the dimension closing feat of Thor/Hercules, and trying to act as you have some evidence to support it being more impressive is fallacious.
For the record, Thor destroyed the moon in his battle with the Gardener.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You don't like it because you lack other, more valid, feats?
I could and have posted various feats, but you’ll always try to derail the discussion because you lack anything else.
I can't post anything involving Mjolnir, I can’t post anything involving other opponents etc.
How many stipulations should I adhere to?
You know what? I won’t accept any feats that have Gladiator sporting a Mohawk.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Mjolnir... bored
……is not far above Thor in regards to striking power on average, yes.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Either Thor has the feats to prove he is superior or he doesn't, he doesn't till now, except the Midgard Serpent.
Untrue.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
This discussion is necessary, else you would claim that your feats are equal to Glads, which are not (when comparing the next logical feats, like Skyskraper to Skyskraper). Sorry it won't work that way.
They aren’t equal, there are superior. You mean if we compare them in a way that’s favorable to Gladiator.
Thor’s best is higher than Gladiator’s best, that’s about it.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
No unfortunatly they don`t else we wouldn't be discussig it. You used dozens of feats that are worth nothing. Strikes/throws with Mjolnir, Hyperbolic statements. The quantity of your post is supposed to outweight the lack of quality of those feats. It might impress the audience that doesn't bother to take a closer look but it does nothing more.
Yes, they really do.
Do you know what the word quality means? If the feats I posted failed to measure up, you wouldn’t be complaining that they involved Mjolnir or that they are hyperbolic. If you didn’t b*tch and moan, you’d be forced to concede as you have no other venue of discussion.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yes it has been onesided. One side showed 3 feats, done with ease. The other side showed lesser yet similar feats with a struggling Thor, to hide that fact the audience was bombarded with unecessary and unfitting feats, like Hammerthrows or strikes and hyperbolic statements.
Well, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that I wasted my time. You’re obviously trolling at this point. I guess it’s my fault. Shame on me and all that.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Summary:Three Glads feats: All accomplished with ease. Skyscraper with ease. Citysized ship, easy, planet busting without breaking a sweat.
Impressive how effortlessly he did it.
+ 2 Hyperbolic statements we can throw away.There is nothing to argue or doubt those feats, done with perfection, without a flaw. One could argue the size of the Planet but that's all.
Feats of Thor. Poisoned with help, struggling to lift a lesser version of a Skyscraper. Struggling to support a dropping Asgard with the Help of BRB. Struggling to pull the Midgard serpent from earth, on a Ship that carries it away. Closing a dimensionrift with Hercules.
+dozens of "feats" that show nothing but the superiority of Mjolnir or hyperbolic statements.
😂 Yup, you’re definitely trolling.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
All those feats have a flaw, either someone who helped or Thor struggling to accomplish those feats.Thor might win the lifting, if one feels generous about the midgard incident but he loses the striking imho.
As opposed to Gladiator?
You want to have a real discussion about Gladiator vs. Thor in regards to strength, I’ll battle zone you. Other than that, don’t bother, as you’ll just continue with this nonsense.
I mean really, how can you in the very same post claim Gladiator performed all of his feats with a casual ease and then claim everything involving Thor had him struggling in comparison? It’s just dishonesty. Two of the three Gladiator feats had him going all out. I mean really.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I give you the win, since you are enraged and start to become insulting, in the next post, I skipped it now after work. I want to keep it civil but this is only possible if both can act mature. It's about comics and fun, I don't like people who feel bold and strong over the internet and bash others, they surely would never dare to speak that way in RL. It's a sign that they feel the wrong in their arguments and don't know another way to react. But anyway, more power to you my boy. Thor is Glads equal in strength, I hope this calms your Rage.
You’re an idiot and/or a troll. I’m not enraged. I just said what I said because your post justifies such a response. If you don't like it, exercise some of those cognitive abilities Odin blessed the human race with.
Like I pointed out earlier, if you want a serious discussion, PM for a battle zone whenever you have some free time. As it is, I don't want to argue for another ten pages as your responses can be described as "Nuh Uh".
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nah bro, they don't deserve a quick death.
I actually think these two are made to be relative equals in strength based on the direct showings of the two fighting. Strength was always a wash between these two, but Gladiator had the speed advantage while Thor had the power advantage. So I think just as most of you do that Gladiator being >>> Thor in strength isn't true, but...
You trying to not get a little context involved in these arguments?
Originally posted by batdude123
I actually think these two are made to be relative equals in strength based on the direct showings of the two fighting. Strength was always a wash between these two, but Gladiator had the speed advantage while Thor had the power advantage. So I think just as most of you do that Gladiator being >>> Thor in strength isn't true, but...You trying to not get a little context involved in these arguments?
I'm in agreement with that stance but if I had to pick one, it'd be Thor in regards to an edge. His fans however keep arguing that he's stronger or has a noticeable advantage. Enough is enough. After this, I can't see how anyone can't agree that Thor is at least on par with Gladiator.
snicker
Wasn't being serious with those. Gladiator was stunned by the a controlled Living Lightning before Masterson handed him his *ss if you're curious.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm in agreement with that stance but if I had to pick one, it'd be Thor in regards to an edge. His fans however keep arguing that he's stronger or has a noticeable advantage. Enough is enough. After this, I can't see how anyone can't agree that Thor is at least on par with Gladiator.snicker
Wasn't being serious with those. Gladiator was stunned by the a controlled Living Lightning before Masterson handed him his *ss if you're curious.
In's t that mostly Carver who thinks that granted he is not the only one but when the sh*t hit the fan he is nowhere to be found.
One of Umar's -Dormammu's sister- creations trapped Thor under the weight of a score of planets.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistingWeightofPlanets.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ResistingWeightofPlanets2.jpg
If you're looking for feats of those nature, Kang used his tech to press down on Thor with the weight of half a planet.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan5.jpg
In another scene, he was subjected to the gravity of a Neutron Star and overcame the force.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar2.jpg
Overcomes his own body weight multiplied infinitely.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton2.jpg
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
In's t that mostly Carver who thinks that granted he is not the only one but when the sh*t hit the fan he is nowhere to be found.
Yea, what a shame.
Gladiator defeated Materson-Thor before he used Living Lighting to gain an advantage while Gladiator was gloating. Most of Thor's feats you posted involves Mjolnir. By the way this fight started after Gladiator pummels Wonderman then gets sneak attacked by Materson - Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusthe rock guy who follows hulk around (his name escapes me at the moment) remembers that fight in a recent comic, so it's not only still canon but also in continuity with the character's current lives.
Overcomes his own body weight multiplied infinitely.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton2.jpg
