CISless Zoom vs Odin

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Now you are butthurt. Because you scan shows clearly how damaged Odin was. And yes Galactus looked much much better after the physical punch of the CK amped Zeus.

I'm butthurt? You won't be able to sit down for another week because of the prison like ramming I gave you.

Don't blame me for further exposing your double standards. It's not my fault that you forgot anything posted on the internet can be found again.

Stop trolling. Odin was no more hurt from Surtur's blow than Galactus was from Zeus'. Based on what visual cue did you come to the conclusion that Galactus fared much better? I'm curious.

The only thing visibly damaged is his armor, and trust me when I say that you don't want to go down that road. Ignoring the obvious stupidity of that line of thinking of course.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You just proved your HYPOCRISY yourself 😄

How can you still not know what the word means?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
What you passed was important, and the degeneration of your imaginary brain cells has to be quite bad, since you don't even remember what you left out 😆 .

Wait, I will show you something, maybe just maybe there will be a little lightbulb over your head.

I don't speak idiot. If you have a point, make it. If not, just concede. Not really sure why you're so keen on embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You think Odin is Galactus equal, and you have a problem with other people opinions? Oh, wow, just wow. I feel like talking to a child. Omg, I have o stop laughing.

I've taken the stance that they are on the same level but that's irrelevant, we can go into further detail in a different thread if you feel strongly about it.

Like I said from the beginning, you could argue that Spider-Man would beat Galactus and if you applied the logic across the board I wouldn't give a shit, I'd just laugh and insult you. Unfortunately, I can't accept double standards.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Sorry but at least you are funny. I think people obessed with a char, are a good source for info, you just have to filter the BS out of the stuff they tell you. Since you showed me now, that you make up as much BS for Thor/Odin as Quan does for Thanos, I think I should treat you in a similar way.

😉

Don't worry man, the bleeding will stop eventually.

I amr glad though that you now think Odin wins. To defeat Zoom according to you, an entity will have had to: (a) Shrug off Herald level attacks as well as withstand a Skyfather plus level attack and (b) be able to unleash energy on a Galactic scale.

Fortunately, Odin can and has done both.

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@Rage facepalm if this is what you think you understood. By the stips Odin loses, his only way is to stop or mess with the time, he doesn't have the option and he doesn't have the durability of Galactus. Zoom hits him with Superman-level punches before he can react, till he wins. I hope you understand this, I will not call you names, I stay polite 🙂.

So I guess you are gay? dur Explains a lot. Not an insult, just a wild guess, since you are so obsessed with buttsex.

So basically Odin loses but Galactus doesn't for no actual reason then?

You set a threshold for the durability level needed to shrug off Zoom's blows and I presented scans of Odin's durability on that level. You've not presented any actual argument outside of I feel like it.

Odin wins, he stops Zoom in his tracks with his amazing reflexes, and then blitzes him. Feats don't matter as we get to pick and choose when they have any influence.

You're the one bent over.

Originally posted by chuchu
dude zeus never hurt galactus.... a zeus that was possesed by the f^cking CHAOS KING did it

Galactus screamed out because he felt like it then? It wasn't a massive amp apparently.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well, quite simply I feel that a KMC high level Galactus has a much higher durability.

*Shrugs*

This felt like such a good discussion years ago too.

Still haven't answered my question. What feats lead you to believe Galactus would shrug off Zoom's punches?

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Galactus screamed out because he felt like it then? It wasn't a massive amp apparently.

Originally posted by chuchu
first of all i think odin will wtf stomp zoom, but are you trying to say odin is on par with galactus?

I think they're more or less on the same level but that's completely irrelevant. How I think they compare matters little. What does matter are the showings that have led some people to reach the conclusions that they have.

Originally posted by 753
the author might have said that, but he did not express that at all in he comic

Pak's no Bendis. His word regarding a comic he wrote has far more value than any of our opinions. Unless something stated directly contradicts a comic, it's the probably the next best thing we have to on panel evidence.

Originally posted by carver9
You truly don't get it. Gladiator punches were rocking Masterson... Wolverine claws was damaging Sabertooth. What was Thanos doing during that fight to make you think there was even a 1% chance that he could have changed the tide?

Originally posted by Silent Master
None of the fights you listed had people in the same position that Thanos was in. Now, I've answered your questions.

It's time for you to start listing examples of how Thanos could have turned the tide and beat Odin.

Don't think I didn't notice both of you skirting around the question I asked. I will await a real answer.. not dodging.. missing the point.. and red herrings...

I will ask again... have either of you EVER seen a comic book fight.. where somebody was on the losing end for most of the fight.... and then suddenly surned the tide and won. I'M NOT ASKING YOU IF IT LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE THANOS FIGHT.. That isn't nor wasn't my question. That is just your guys way of dodging the question. I asked if you've ever seen ANY, keyword ANY, where somebody was losing for most of the fight only to comeback to win. I enjoy doing this beause as I expected.. both of you have dodged the question (which I expected) because you know it would look bad to lie and say you haven't. When we all know.. this is a common theme in comics and real life. Heroes does this ALL the time through PIS and end up winning against a foe clearly stated to be superior via narration and action. So.. I will await your answer but I'm sure I'll get more dodging, which amuses me and makes you guys look bad.

Originally posted by 753
lol. if there is one conclusion to be drawn from that fight was that odin was obvisously a tier above thanos. we do know for a fact who would have won as the writer's intentions and the power assimetry were crystal clear

So you've also NEVER seen ANY comic book fight where somebody was on the losing end for most of the fight.. only to come back and win.. be honest now? Never? You know you have, thus it could never be a forgone conclusion. Probable sure, 100% impossible to say that, which is my point.

We aren't "skirting around" anything, Our answer is that we have never seen anyone that was in Thanos' position make a come back and no, none of the fights you mentioned had people that were in the same position as Thanos was during the fight with Odin, so that excuse isn't going to work.

Now, as I have answered your question, please start providing examples of how Thanos would have made a come back and defeated Odin.

Thanos was getting his ass kicked pretty convincingly. It really doesn't help that Odin could become noticeably more powerful on a whim without even tapping into Asgard or the Asgardians. So unless the Titan was hiding a Cosmic Cube in his backside or something, I really don't see Thanos pulling a rocky style comeback.

You skirted around it again.. even AFTER I made it clear I'm not talking about it looking EXACTLY like Thanos position. I even said that, and you're so desperate to avoid the question... you still go back to that LOL LMAO. The point is not having a fight look exactly like the Odin Thanos fight or how Thanos looked. The point is, have you EVER seen ANY.. (do you understand the term ANY?) where somebody came back to win a fight they were losing for most fight? It happens in real life all the time and hundreds of times in comics this has happened. It's a constant theme in comics, movies or any number of genres. This happens all the time with heroes and using PIS to win a fight when they had been getting their ass kicked for most of it. I'm sure you'll avoid it still though eh master? LMAO

In order to propose a comeback, wouldn't you have to present an argument that the two parties were somewhat on equal footing? Masterson/Glads (as it was the example used earlier) are on somewhat equal footing. One is not completely beyond the scope of the other in terms of overall power. Essentially, then, the argument would have to be either:

- Thanos pulls off the comeback via attrition, making Odin use up his power reserve so that he falls to Thanos' "level"

Or:

- Thanos, as early as two upgrades ago, was already at skyfather levels

IMO, it really comes down to which one of these you believe. The first, however, seems highly unlikely.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you've also NEVER seen ANY comic book fight where somebody was on the losing end for most of the fight.. only to come back and win.. be honest now? Never? You know you have, thus it could never be a forgone conclusion. Probable sure, 100% impossible to say that, which is my point.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanos was getting his ass kicked pretty convincingly. It really doesn't help that Odin could become noticeably more powerful on a whim without even tapping into Asgard or the Asgardians. So unless the Titan was hiding a Cosmic Cube in his backside or something, I really don't see Thanos pulling a rocky style comeback.

I agree, and i've never said otherwise. Our discussion is passing something off as a FACT, when it clearly isn't a FACT Odin wouldn't won. Odin probably and mostly likely would've... but people are standing by that and claiming it's a fact, which of course it's impossible to call that fact. That is why I'm spot on and they continue to be wrong. We've seen countless... hundreds of fights where people comeback to win in comics and in real life. We've seen heroes pull some PIS out of their ass to beat a superior foe. Thus, that makes it not a certainty and not a fact who would've won, more who probably would've won.

Originally posted by Harbinger
In order to propose a comeback, wouldn't you have to present an argument that the two parties were somewhat on equal footing? Masterson/Glads (as it was the example used earlier) are on somewhat equal footing. One is not completely beyond the scope of the other in terms of overall power. Essentially, then, the argument would have to be either:

- Thanos pulls off the comeback via attrition, making Odin use up his power reserve so that he falls to Thanos' "level"

Or:

- Thanos, as early as two upgrades ago, was already at skyfather levels

IMO, it really comes down to which one of these you believe. The first, however, seems highly unlikely.

I never said it was likely, we're discussing on whether it's a FACT that Odin wouldve won. Clearly, using logic and math, that isn't the case is it. I don't need to present ANY way Thanos could've comeback because that isn't needed. I'm simply and only saying, it's not a absolute fact Odin would've won, when we've seen countless fights in comics where somebody come backs to win. However, just to throw a bone at you.. since you mentioned attrition.. how about if Thanos actually used his shields... the same ones that made a pissed off Galactus who was well fed.. need to leave to go feed again it drained him so much? As I stated, that isn't needed, as the argument is whether it can be called an absolute fact or not.

Originally posted by 753
yes, those fights are common, but c'mon, you know that wasnt the case. the writer wanted to show that despite how powerful odin was, thanos could hold his own and defy him, which is a pretty good showing. the power difference and action still made it obvious that odin was eventually going to ko/kill him if it continued

Probable, sure, never said otherwise. 100% sure.. impossible.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
mhmm

But god forbid anyone doubts Diana's claims about Zoom's punching power amirite?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Anyways, the scale they were intended to operate on was made clear:

-Surfer-
"Forces powerful enough to rock our entire continuum are in conflict."

All I took from those statements is that Odin and Seth's battle had the potential to cause a great deal of damage (which I'm not arguing.) But like I said before, it's hard not to think of the 'dead galaxies shattered' comment as hyperbole, when the field they were shown actively fighting on was left relatively unscathed. I mean, if their battle was releasing such massive forces that multiple galaxies were destroyed as a mere side effect, I'd certainly think the main field they were depicted battling on would have been dealt at least some significant damage /shrug. Anywho, I'm not saying the statement was hyperbole, but it is arguable, imho.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You skirted around it again.. even AFTER I made it clear I'm not talking about it looking EXACTLY like Thanos position. I even said that, and you're so desperate to avoid the question... you still go back to that LOL LMAO. The point is not having a fight look exactly like the Odin Thanos fight or how Thanos looked. The point is, have you EVER seen ANY.. (do you understand the term ANY?) where somebody came back to win a fight they were losing for most fight? It happens in real life all the time and hundreds of times in comics this has happened. It's a constant theme in comics, movies or any number of genres. This happens all the time with heroes and using PIS to win a fight when they had been getting their ass kicked for most of it. I'm sure you'll avoid it still though eh master? LMAO

The point is, that you want to pretend that Thanos could have made a come back, but when asked for examples....you can't provide any.