CISless Zoom vs Odin

Started by Harbinger35 pages
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I never said it was likely, we're discussing on whether it's a FACT that Odin wouldve won. Clearly, using logic and math, that isn't the case is it. I don't need to present ANY way Thanos could've comeback because that isn't needed. I'm simply and only saying, it's not a absolute fact Odin would've won, when we've seen countless fights in comics where somebody come backs to win. However, just to throw a bone at you.. since you mentioned attrition.. how about if Thanos actually used his shields... the same ones that made a pissed off Galactus who was well fed.. need to leave to go feed again it drained him so much? As I stated, that isn't needed, as the argument is whether it can be called an absolute fact or not.

So you're arguing semantics? You concede that in all likelihood, Odin wins if the battle continues, but because the battle didn't end on panel, no one can say for a fact that Thanos would've lost. You can have that, if you want; personally, I think that's a hollow statement to make given what the panels showed.

As for Thanos and his shields, Big G turned Thanos into a smoking heap despite being taxed because the power disparity between them was so great--despite Thanos being upgraded by that point. To that end, I could see a similar result for Odin/Thanos, particularly since the latter was weaker at the time: Odin gets taxed, but still works the Titan.

Originally posted by Harbinger
So you're arguing semantics? You concede that in all likelihood, Odin wins if the battle continues, but because the battle didn't end on panel, no one can say for a fact that Thanos would've lost. You can have that, if you want; personally, I think that's a hollow statement to make given what the panels showed.

As for Thanos and his shields, Big G turned Thanos into a smoking heap despite being taxed because the power disparity between them was so great--despite Thanos being upgraded by that point. To that end, I could see a similar result for Odin/Thanos, particularly since the latter was weaker at the time: Odin gets taxed, but still works the Titan.

How is it a hollow statement ? Thanos was singed and the only reason was because he just made his way through a concentrated blast of gungir energy. Thanos wasn't even close to being defeat and prior to that it was posturing from both sides with nothing really affecting the other.

Galactus' power is far greater than Odin's and he was well nourished so if Thanos uses any shield even close to this Odin would be spent. I don't see Odin even breaking the shield to be honest since it took Galactus level power.

Originally posted by Galan007
Difference is: the power behind Zoom's punches was shown on panel, when he was knocking Dianna across the entire world, with single strikes.

mhmm

Not sure if serious.

Originally posted by Galan007
-Strange-
"I sense a great upheaval which is tearing at the very fabric of the multiverse -- a cosmic calamity which could imperil untold galaxies."

-Surfer-
"Forces powerful enough to rock our entire continuum are in conflict."

All I took from those statements is that Odin and Seth's battle had the potential to cause a great deal of damage (which I'm not arguing.) But like I said before, it's hard not to think of the 'dead galaxies shattered' comment as hyperbole, when the field they were shown actively fighting on was left relatively unscathed. I mean, if their battle was releasing such massive forces that multiple galaxies were destroyed as a mere side effect, I'd certainly think the main field they were depicted battling on would have been dealt at least some significant damage /shrug. Anywho, I'm not saying the statement was hyperbole, but it is arguable, imho.

Really, that's what you took from it? That the damage they were unleashing was only potentially possible?

Yo, remember the time Galactus/Mephisto battled and it was on a Galactic scale but the surrounding battle field was pretty much intact? Or how about the time Molecule Man/Beyonder had a similar "across all planes of existences" battle but the surrounding battle field and heroes were fine? Or better yet, when Molecule Man blasted Beyonder with a shot capable of slagging several Billion dimensions in an apartment that was undamaged? Keep in mind that this is all just off the top of my head.

Once again, I repeat: Not sure if serious.

No more arguable than Diana simply exaggerating about Zoom.

I really don't know what KT is trying to do here. He admits that Odin was superior, that Odin would in all likelihood have won...

...and then brings up "heroic PIS" despite the fact that PIS isn't kosher here and that Thanos isn't a hero...

Barring a specific prep device/plot device that wasn't mentioned or even hinted at there really was no way I can see Thanos winning that fight if it had gone on longer.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
mhmm

Not sure if serious.

Really, that's what you took from it? That the damage they were unleashing was only potentially possible?

Yo, remember the time Galactus/Mephisto battled and it was on a Galactic scale but the surrounding battle field was pretty much intact? Or how about the time Molecule Man/Beyonder had a similar "across all planes of existences" battle but the surrounding battle field and heroes were fine? Or better yet, when Molecule Man blasted Beyonder with a shot capable of slagging several Billion dimensions in an apartment that was undamaged? Keep in mind that this is all just off the top of my head.

Once again, I repeat: Not sure if serious.

No more arguable than Diana simply exaggerating about Zoom.

Galan's argument is extremely flawed here and I am sure if you applied his own logic to every fight you could demean any statement or fight based on some collateral damage argument. Look at the Source battling Darkseid as well in dotgn and I guarantee you he thinks both of these characters were extremely powerful yet only affecting ten miles of their battle area.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I really don't know what KT is trying to do here. He admits that Odin was superior, that Odin would in all likelihood have won...

...and then brings up "heroic PIS" despite the fact that PIS isn't kosher here and that Thanos isn't a hero...

Barring a specific prep device/plot device that wasn't mentioned or even hinted at there really was no way I can see Thanos winning that fight if it had gone on longer.

He's just being a typical fanboy.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You skirted around it again.. even AFTER I made it clear I'm not talking about it looking EXACTLY like Thanos position. I even said that, and you're so desperate to avoid the question... you still go back to that LOL LMAO. The point is not having a fight look exactly like the Odin Thanos fight or how Thanos looked. The point is, have you EVER seen ANY.. (do you understand the term ANY?) where somebody came back to win a fight they were losing for most fight? It happens in real life all the time and hundreds of times in comics this has happened. It's a constant theme in comics, movies or any number of genres. This happens all the time with heroes and using PIS to win a fight when they had been getting their ass kicked for most of it. I'm sure you'll avoid it still though eh master? LMAO
Given the presentation of that fight, expecting that comeback to be seriously considered as even a remote possibility is like expecting the original Thor/pre-Death Thanos fight that was interrupted to end in Thor's favor.

Thor was getting wrecked, didn't do much to put down Thanos, if anything. Thanos didn't finish the job because of convenient interruption. "But it's a stalemate and no indication that Thor is inferior because he was never conclusively put down for the count!"

You wouldn't take that sh1t excuse seriously. So don't expect us to do so here. The more likely possibility was Odin sh1tstorming Thanos in a complete rage and destroying Asgard.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I really don't know what KT is trying to do here. He admits that Odin was superior, that Odin would in all likelihood have won...

...and then brings up "heroic PIS" despite the fact that PIS isn't kosher here and that Thanos isn't a hero...

Barring a specific prep device/plot device that wasn't mentioned or even hinted at there really was no way I can see Thanos winning that fight if it had gone on longer.

Do you know what we are arguing here or just kinda know? The argument is all about the word FACT. Two people claimed it was a FACT Odin would've won. That it was an absolute certainty. Of course, not only mathmatically is this not true, but common sense also tells us it can't be a fact. Why.. simple.. we've seen COUNTLESS comic book fights where somebody looked inferior for most of the fight.. only to come back and win. So.. I'll ask you Omega.. have you ever witnessed ANY such comic book fight where somebody was losing for most of the fight and still won? Very simple question which we all know the answer to. Thus, nobody can say it's a FACT somebody would've won considering all we've seen in comics and in real life. It's pretty simple really

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you know what we are arguing here or just kinda know? The argument is all about the word FACT. Two people claimed it was a FACT Odin would've won. That it was an absolute certainty. Of course, not only mathmatically is this not true, but common sense also tells us it can't be a fact. Why.. simple.. we've seen COUNTLESS comic book fights where somebody looked inferior for most of the fight.. only to come back and win. So.. I'll ask you Omega.. have you ever witnessed ANY such comic book fight where somebody was losing for most of the fight and still won? Very simple question which we all know the answer to. Thus, nobody can say it's a FACT somebody would've won considering all we've seen in comics and in real life. It's pretty simple really

Oh I see.

So you're arguing about something that doesn't really matter.

Why? U mad? 🙂

I can think of one instance off the top of my head where that happened but it doesn't fit the Thanos-Odin fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Given the presentation of that fight, expecting that comeback to be seriously considered as even a remote possibility is like expecting the original Thor/pre-Death Thanos fight that was interrupted to end in Thor's favor.

Thor was getting wrecked, didn't do much to put down Thanos, if anything. Thanos didn't finish the job because of convenient interruption. "But it's a stalemate and no indication that Thor is inferior because he was never conclusively put down for the count!"

You wouldn't take that sh1t excuse seriously. So don't expect us to do so here. The more likely possibility was Odin sh1tstorming Thanos in a complete rage and destroying Asgard.

So you're agreeing with me ODG. Thanks buddy. I agree the most likely scenerio is that Odin would win the fight. Never have I ever said otherwise.. not even once. I consider Odin the winner of a fight that wasn't concluded. This whole argument started with Silent and two othes saying it was a FACT Odin would've won. That is the argument here. As you have stated.. it's not a fact, but more, a very probable outcome.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Given the presentation of that fight, expecting that comeback to be seriously considered as even a remote possibility is like expecting the original Thor/pre-Death Thanos fight that was interrupted to end in Thor's favor.

Thor was getting wrecked, didn't do much to put down Thanos, if anything. Thanos didn't finish the job because of convenient interruption. "But it's a stalemate and no indication that Thor is inferior because he was never conclusively put down for the count!"

You wouldn't take that sh1t excuse seriously. So don't expect us to do so here. The more likely possibility was Odin sh1tstorming Thanos in a complete rage and destroying Asgard.

Except Thanos has defeated Thor who wasn't holding back and with the power gem. Odin has never defeated Tahnos and the writer makes it pretty clear we haven't seen the upper limits of Thanos' power yet right on panel. Ignoring his best shields too and acting as if that wouldn't dramatically shift a battle to which Thanos' clothes were singed is wishful thinking at best since we've seen him more ruffled against the Fallen One.

Thanos also has a showing which taxed a well nourished Galactus who I think you would agree is a lot more powerful than Odin.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yo, remember the time Galactus/Mephisto battled and it was on a Galactic scale but the surrounding battle field was pretty much intact?
No.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Or how about the time Molecule Man/Beyonder had a similar "across all planes of existences" battle but the surrounding battle field and heroes were fine? Or better yet, when Molecule Man blasted Beyonder with a shot capable of slagging several Billion dimensions in an apartment that was undamaged? Keep in mind that this is all just off the top of my head.
Beyonder and MM are, like, some of the most powerful characters who've ever existed in Marvel. Comparing their feats to Odin's is... Meh.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're agreeing with me ODG. Thanks buddy. I agree the most likely scenerio is that Odin would win the fight. Never have I ever said otherwise.. not even once. I consider Odin the winner of a fight that wasn't concluded. This whole argument started with Silent and two othes saying it was a FACT Odin would've won. That is the argument here. As you have stated.. it's not a fact, but more, a very probable outcome.

Better question, how probable is it that Thanos would have made a come back and defeated Odin.

?/10

Originally posted by Galan007
No.

Well I do. They were battling it out in his realm and the battle was on a Galactic scale. Distant planets were being torn apart and even Galaxies I think. However, the surrounding area was more or less fine. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the pillars they were standing on weren't broken.

Originally posted by Galan007
Beyonder and MM are, like, some of the most powerful characters who've ever existed in Marvel. Comparing their feats to Odin's is... Meh.

They're some of the most powerful characters that have ever existed. Unfortunately, the example is still sound.

Do you see the flaw in this argument yet? At the very least, it will lead you down one slippery slope.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well I do. They were battling it out in his realm and the battle was on a Galactic scale. Distant planets were being torn apart and even Galaxies I think. However, the surrounding area was more or less fine. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the pillars they were standing on weren't broken.
Oh that battle? Yeah, I wouldn't expect much damage to be done to Mephisto's realm (ie. Hell.) Either Way, Meph in his own realm, and Galactus >> Odin/Seth.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
They're some of the most powerful characters that have ever existed. Unfortunately, the example is still sound.
Right, because if Beyonder and MM were capable of something, then Odin/Seth must be too. g007-psyduck

Rage is seriously trying to extrapolate that Odin is on par with MM and Beyonder now?
I swear this thread just opened my eyes about you

Yep Odin who can't even beat one celestial is on par with Beyonder who beat all of them. SMH

Originally posted by Galan007
Either Way, Meph in his own realm, and Galactus >> Odin/Seth.

Except that's not true. The worst that was happening with Galactus/Mephisto was solar systems being destroyed. Odin/Seth was GALAXIES, as in plural, being destroyed and stars across the UNIVERSE being reignited! Not to mention the Odin/Seth fight was being fought on every plane of reality.

Right, because if Beyonder and MM were capable of something, then Odin/Seth must be too. g007-psyduck

You'd have a point except that it was mentioned ON PANEL. Unlike Zoom fans, at least Odin supporters have on panel proof of his feats/power.

Odin would literally blink Zoom out of existence.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Rage is seriously trying to extrapolate that Odin is on par with MM and Beyonder now?
I swear this thread just opened my eyes about you

Yep Odin who can't even beat one celestial is on par with Beyonder who beat all of them. SMH

ON PANEL, we have Odin/Seth wrecking as much havoc as MM/Beyonder. That's ALL Rage is saying.

Also, Odin fought the Celestials, wait for it........................................all of ONE time. Since that fight new info on the Celestials has emerged and they aren't so hot. Thor busting Exitar's outer shell and skull, Sue literally KILLING Exitar, theres more I'm probably missing but you should get the point.

Originally posted by zopzop
Except that's not true. The worst that was happening with Galactus/Mephisto was solar systems being destroyed. Odin/Seth was GALAXIES, as in plural, being destroyed and stars across the UNIVERSE being reignited! Not to mention the Odin/Seth fight was being fought on every plane of reality.
What's not true? I certainly hope you aren't implying that Meph in his own realm and Galactus aren't superior to Odin/Seth.... But for some reason I think you are. g007-psyduck

Originally posted by zopzop
You'd have a point except that it was mentioned ON PANEL. Unlike Zoom fans, at least Odin supporters have on panel proof of his feats/power.

Odin would literally blink Zoom out of existence.

I understand it was mentioned on panel, but it seems like a bit of hyperbole was thrown into the mix (for reasons I already mentioned.) I'm not talking about Odin vs. Zoom fyi -- could care less about that. Tbh, I could care less about any of what I'm talking about. I'm arguing just to argue.

He admits it. 😛