Darth Maul and Darth Sidious vs. Jedi Galen Marek and Rots Obi Wan

Lol, sarcasm fail.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
Simply because Dooku can do something doesn't mean Sidious can. And what proof exists that Sidious is actually on par with Dooku?

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JT
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I'm sure you could ask either Stealth_Moose or Borbarad if you don't believe me; their answers ought to satisfy you.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
That's not a fact, actually. Simply because Dooku can do something doesn't mean Sidious can. And what proof exists that Sidious is actually on par with Dooku?

Your name change is clearly appropriate.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
1)When has Dooku ever had trouble with Obi-Wan's defences? Only in the novel while simultaneously fighting off a "Destroyer Droid with a Lightsaber"

And the same novel has Dooku penetrating Kenobi's defences with a kick to the face knocking him down, so point is moot.

Dooku himself admits Kenobi's soresu mastery is second to none and he is unable to penetrate his defense... And a kick to the face hardly equates to a saber to the body... Regardless it's noncanon anyway.

2) According to both Nick Gillard and the ROTS novel, Anakin and Obi-Wan both knew each other's lightsaber moves inside out, which is why neither of them could get through each other's defences. Not to mention Anakin at that point was clearly no where near as effective a fighter as when he trounced Dooku.

Sure. But Anakin was still strong enough to casually destroy a Jedi Weapon Master one handed and, if the RotS game (or even BF 2) is anything to go by, likley butchered numerous Jedi. So he clearly is still a highly capable duelist. So it's still a ridiclously good feat.

3) Ventress has also put Obi-Wan down while fighting off Anakin.

When?

ares834
Your name change is clearly appropriate.

I don't get it. 😐

Spoiler:
What did the b1tch tell you?

To be fair, you are being kinda limp lately. Try actually debating for once you butt!

N.
To be fair, you are being kinda limp lately. Try actually debating for once you butt!

Arguing the same nonsense gets so old, Nepy. I come here for the off topic chatter and gentle humor.

The only thing old around here is you!

Go back to the old folks home grandpa!

Leave the threads to the young if you're not even gonna do shit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The only thing old around here is you!

Go back to the old folks home grandpa!

Leave the threads to the young if you're not even gonna do shit.

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Smell ya later gramps!

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ur old and thats funny

Originally posted by ares834
Dooku himself admits Kenobi's soresu mastery is second to none and he is unable to penetrate his defense...

He never says second to none. And when was he unable to pentrate his defence? While he was fighting off Anakin, who was clearly too powerful for Dooku even by himself.

Originally posted by ares834
And a kick to the face hardly equates to a saber to the body... Regardless it's noncanon anyway.

And in the movie at no point whatsoever does he struggle against Kenobi. So thats not canon either. Not to mention he never even fights him one on one. Only fights him while he's fighting Anakin.

And the point is the thought of Dooku that Obi-Wans defence is too good is in the novel. Whilst the novel itself contradicts that notion by the kick to the face. So either way the point is moot.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure. But Anakin was still strong enough to casually destroy a Jedi Weapon Master one handed and, if the RotS game (or even BF 2) is anything to go by, likley butchered numerous Jedi. So he clearly is still a highly capable duelist. So it's still a ridiclously good feat.

The fact that he can lift a Jedi Temple Statue, at that time, but later can not overpower Ob-Wan's Force Push shows he was not fighting at that level anymore.

Still I agree it is a feat for Obi-Wan, but considering the circumstances not enough to give Dooku or Sidious any trouble (Sabers wise) IMO.

Originally posted by ares834
When?

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWK6VWqZrCc

At 1:10 Not only is he kicked flat on his ass, but he's also disarmed of his weapon. Only Anakin being there saved him there. She also proves to be a superior Force user by Force choking him.

I think what the gentlemen are trying to get at, DP, is that while Obi-Wan might not best the good Count in a strict contest of lightsabers, his prodigious defense will ensure that the fight isn't a quick one.

Silly idea, I realize, given what we've come to learn about Dooku and his nigh-cosmic powers.

Count Motherfvcking Dooku.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
I think what the gentlemen are trying to get at, DP, is that while Obi-Wan might not best the good Count in a strict contest of lightsabers, his prodigious defense will ensure that the fight isn't a quick one.

I think it started off with Obi-Wan being a factor against Sidious, then to Obi-Wan lasting a fair amount of time in a strict fencing match against Sidious, and now to how amazingly well Obi-Wan did against Dooku in Sabers which I just see no evidence for.

The best evidence in Obi-Wan's defence is what Ares pointed out about how long he lasted against Sith Anakin. (Although I do feel there were different circumstances to that fight)

As for a fencing battle against Dooku not being a quick one.. It didn't take long for Ventress to kick Obi-Wan on to his butt in their latest fight, so im not entirely convinced that he could last particularly long against Dooku or Sidious in a strict fencing match.. (Remember how powerful Dooku's kick against Anakin was..)

In fact since the CW animation Iv not seen great evidence to put Obi-Wan in a different tier to Kit Fisto..

But im open minded and will welcome someone proving me wrong : )