Intolerant Christians more vociferous than Muslims about Gays
This is in Britain.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/06/19/153982.html
Intolerant Christians more vociferous than Muslims about Gays
This is in Britain.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/06/19/153982.html
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I live in San Francisco. Have you ever visited San Francisco?
No. Have you visited Bamberg?
Really though, what do you define as "anti-religious" (since that may already imply intolerance and be similar to saying "the most intolerant people I know are intolerant", or be such a small subset of people it would be ridiculous to claim that) and how do these people behave, what are they intolerant of, in your experience?
Anti-Religious people being zealous and borderline physically aggressive in an argument about God are far more common than religious ones, in my personal experience.
I've met 3 in the last 2 months alone.
I am yet to meet an atheist who isn't aggressive about not believing in God or trying to convince me how my belief in reincarnation is utter bullshit. I've met Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Janis, Hindus and what not who are just cool with whatever and do not make an issue out of others beliefs and in many cases avoid talking about that subject altogether. This is personal for many people, and majority I've met just prefer not to talk about it in group.
I met a guy who got pissed off when we spoke about astrology - he was so anti-religious and anti-anything-that-isn't-science that he was yelling, not letting others speak, interrupting and even being physically intimidating.
Another one I met was at the party who decided to get into an argument with the host about why believing in any kind of spiritual things is utter bullshit.
If this is what Blaxican meant, then I am inclined to agree.
Well sounds like you've met douches so far Lil.
Some people don't deal with the level of incredulity that is only natural in the face of certain statements too well and cannot contain the understandable rage that can build up at the many tacet statements built in within them.
Most athiest anger is built up at a lifetime of indoctrination endured at the hands of the organised groups of people who 'believe' and want you to beileve that non-believers, including any that are your lost friends and family all rot in hell.
Laughing at these people and pointing out why such a vastly unproven statement is laughable is the better option.
Also: when people drink or do other substances, angry reactions come more easily. Such emotive discussion should be held over a nice cup of Tetleys, IMO.... way more progressive a climate for such endevours. 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42Don't you think it's a little, ignorant, of you, to suggest that I don't know what I'm talking about, when you obviously lack so much information regarding the context of my statement, hence the asking of all these questions?
No. Have you visited Bamberg?Really though, what do you define as "anti-religious" (since that may already imply intolerance and be similar to saying "the most intolerant people I know are intolerant", or be such a small subset of people it would be ridiculous to claim that) and how do these people behave, what are they intolerant of, in your experience?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Anti-Religious people being zealous and borderline physically aggressive in an argument about God are far more common than religious ones, in my personal experience.
I've met 3 in the last 2 months alone.I am yet to meet an atheist who isn't aggressive about not believing in God or trying to convince me how my belief in reincarnation is utter bullshit. I've met Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Janis, Hindus and what not who are just cool with whatever and do not make an issue out of others beliefs and in many cases avoid talking about that subject altogether. This is personal for many people, and majority I've met just prefer not to talk about it in group.
I met a guy who got pissed off when we spoke about astrology - he was so anti-religious and anti-anything-that-isn't-science that he was yelling, not letting others speak, interrupting and even being physically intimidating.
Another one I met was at the party who decided to get into an argument with the host about why believing in any kind of spiritual things is utter bullshit.If this is what Blaxican meant, then I am inclined to agree.
I doubt they were being aggressive, you're just ignorant.
Ya that's what I was referring to. 😛
Getting back on topic, yes Christians are extremely intolerant when it comes to homosexuality though I think the reason isn't the act itself it's more the recent glorification of it. Homosexuality is part of the world of human sex acts, not much different in its level of taboo than bdsm. The difference is that a bdsm parade would likely be forbidden in most places, regardless of religious affiliation. A persons sexual life has previously been a private matter, usually going no further than "locker room" talk. Today advocates for homosexuality keep(deviant:meaning deviating from the normal) sexual acts in our face at all times on television news and on the internet news. Would advocates for bdsm pride be allowed to have a parade that celebrates their lifestyle of whips and nip clips? Would a heterosexual couple adopt easily if they show up to the interview with the husband on a spike-collared leash? I agree that discriminating against a person based on their preferences is wrong but sexual preferences are strong and various, so most of the people with odd ones know that they probably shouldn't let everyone know that they are turned on by necrophilia or whatever, and expect to be treated like they are not odd to others.
Christian parents are probably the most intolerant people, because they feel as though they have failed at a very important task. They're likely just as intolerant against their kids being strippers though, maybe even moreso.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Don't you think it's a little, ignorant, of you, to suggest that I don't know what I'm talking about, when you obviously lack so much information regarding the context of my statement, hence the asking of all these questions?
Well, I initially read anti-religious as non-religious, so, yeah, my bad.
Going to clarify your vague statement now? Do you, like lil bitchiness apparently does, believe that anti-religious is almost the same as non-religious? And therefore that non-religious people are more intolerant than religious people? And do you include a difference between intensity and prevalence of intolerance?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well sounds like you've met douches so far Lil.
Some people don't deal with the level of incredulity that is only natural in the face of certain statements too well and cannot contain the understandable rage that can build up at the many tacet statements built in within them.Most athiest anger is built up at a lifetime of indoctrination endured at the hands of the organised groups of people who 'believe' and want you to beileve that non-believers, including any that are your lost friends and family all rot in hell.
Laughing at these people and pointing out why such a vastly unproven statement is laughable is the better option.
Also: when people drink or do other substances, angry reactions come more easily. Such emotive discussion should be held over a nice cup of Tetleys, IMO.... way more progressive a climate for such endevours. 🙂
I have no doubt they were douches. Nothing to do with atheism, but everything to do with douchebaggery (my fave word EVER!!).
I also find it's the same with religious people - the douchery ones are going to be douchy, regardless. The really cool ones, really awesome ones are the ones that don't want to talk about their religion, don't want to argue or convince.
Atheists like that are everywhere too, I am sure. I just hope that people like that release that their offensive ''I am right and you are wrong'' attitude is exactly the same as their fellow religious douches'.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I've never seen "anti religious types" cut off peoples heads on the internet.
This reminds me. I haven't seen anyone cut off anyone's head on the internet in China, but I did see videos ''stepping on kittens with heels'' that made me vomit.
Violent crime here is very low (and it's not Chinese propaganda, it actually really is) so I doubt we'll see any any time soon. Thank goodness and let us hope it stays that way.
Once I return to the West, one thing I'll definitely miss is walking around by myself at 3am without fear of being raped or killed.
Their super secular government definitely has many benefits...and also draw backs, but that has little to do with atheism and everything to do with corruption.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Anti-Religious people being zealous and borderline physically aggressive in an argument about God are far more common than religious ones, in my personal experience.
I've met 3 in the last 2 months alone.I am yet to meet an atheist who isn't aggressive about not believing in God or trying to convince me how my belief in reincarnation is utter bullshit. I've met Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Janis, Hindus and what not who are just cool with whatever and do not make an issue out of others beliefs and in many cases avoid talking about that subject altogether. This is personal for many people, and majority I've met just prefer not to talk about it in group.
Personal experience only means as much as it does to whom it personally applies to. I mean, both atheists and theists have their belligerent "advocates." In my experience? I've met both. I recall, when I was finishing my theology research, visiting a christian church twice a week for a few months and some of the individuals that attended that church were not people you could hold a discussion with without them trying to tear you in half.
I've also met atheists who are as equally "pushy" about their views as well. Both religious and non-religious individuals alike have their cantankerous members.