Odin VS Thanos & The Void

Originally posted by bbrem123
didnt sentry teleport in new avengers when he got his powers back

Someone previously mentioned he teleported, I think it may be the case, but depending on the situation would still be limited to inter-dimensional travels instead of transdimensional.

If you can actually bring the issue number or the scan it's a great find though, most of the guys "defending" Void haven't even bothered to search that feat 😄

(The feat was mentioned by someone who didn't think he could teleport through dimensions)

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9287/newavengersv108136vk.jpg

this is the one i think people refer to

teleported away in a flash of light

That looked like a superspeed get away biscuits

they were in a cave lol...i dont know if it is superspeed there...you could argue it tho

Originally posted by Nihilist
I get it you're scared and have no faith in you're argument, don't worry I'll allow you to continue saying the same thing over and over again without any proof that you know what you're talking about

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, but despite whatever argument Quan pretends to build, the concept of rebuilding from molecular dispersion isn't linked directly with teleportation. Which actual feats does Void have to evade bfr? If anyone can actually answer that in a serious way, I'd like to hear it.

this happens in new avengers #8 if u have the issue to look at

he starts to glow then is gone...and is then in his house as reynolds

now that i think about it....he teleport in the same fashion in dark x-men #3 when x-man and him talk...he casually teleports away

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/darkxmen030008.jpg/

Odin wins.

Next question.

Well you can infer he can do it since he says his powers are similar to molecule man and I doubt people would argue whether Owen or beyonder can do it...

But as a matter to dimension hopping feats... 616 sentry I got nothing...
I do believe zombies sentry or was mentioned as arriving in that universe from another though... But even if I was remembering that right i don't remember it saying how he got there...

As a matter of implied power of course I believe he can.. As far as actual feat. :-/

I didn't remember that one, I'll try to check it tomorrow 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not scared just don't find it necessary. If you can't prove your case here what's the point in having a battlezone. There's more implication through the feats I described and no proof you can bfr the Void. None.

I don't need to prove anything, you have to prove he has what it takes to travel through dimensions, something which you haven't.

Originally posted by bbrem123
they were in a cave lol...i dont know if it is superspeed there...you could argue it tho

I really didn't mean it, I believe Sentry has enough flexibility to teleport, even Wonderman can teleport nowadays so I think Sentry can probably do it if he does something akin to teleportation.

I mostly argue that travel through one dimension is different than interdimensional travel, Nightcrawler couldn't probably travel through time or through the realm of the Vishanti with just his teleporting skills. I think Sentry can teleport, just that he can't travel to other dimension like Thor does with his hammer.

Originally posted by Bentley

I mostly argue that travel through one dimension is different than interdimensional travel, Nightcrawler couldn't probably travel through time or through the realm of the Vishanti with just his teleporting skills. I think Sentry can teleport, just that he can't travel to other dimension like Thor does with his hammer.

ooo i was just arguing that he could teleport...my bad, didnt really read everything that was posted before, way to much lol

dont know about interdimensional tho...from what i know he has never demonstrate that power.

Originally posted by Bentley
I didn't remember that one, I'll try to check it tomorrow 👆

I don't need to prove anything, you have to prove he has what it takes to travel through dimensions, something which you haven't.

I really didn't mean it, I believe Sentry has enough flexibility to teleport, even Wonderman can teleport nowadays so I think Sentry can probably do it if he does something akin to teleportation.

I mostly argue that travel through one dimension is different than interdimensional travel, Nightcrawler couldn't probably travel through time or through the realm of the Vishanti with just his teleporting skills. I think Sentry can teleport, just that he can't travel to other dimension like Thor does with his hammer.

What's also funny is Odin rarely if ever bfr's yet you're clinging to it here because you know he can't kill the Void.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yu need to prove he can considering his implied power/crazy feats and now scans of him more than likely teleporting.

What's also funny is Odin rarely if ever bfr's yet you're clinging to it here because you know he can't kill the Void.

Oh, I think he can kill the Void, I just know you're too stubborn to accept that, so I'm giving you an easy way out: You can accept he will get bfrd and save some face. That's what this "debate" has been since the first time I launched the bfr idea.

Also, you still have no feats, implied power is cool and everything, but implication means things are not explicit. We don't really know how high are those Void abilties which nobody quite knew -not us, the readers, that's for certain-. My biggest issue with Sentry/Void is that some posters have jumped in the bandwagon of him having "the highest possible power he could have with what we saw", which is downright unreasonable -and in your particular case, biased, because I know you don't do other characters this kind of favor-.

I accept that we can differ in opinions, but when you're assuming things that cannot be held in a debate I'm calling you on it. You cannot say Void dimension hops when he never interacted with different dimensions in any significant way.

Void's just there to soak up attacks Thanos doesn't want to take. I don't know if he's allowed to reform from complete annihilation though, but if he is, he's pretty much only good for a shield.

Originally posted by Bentley
Oh, I think he can kill the Void, I just know you're too stubborn to accept that, so I'm giving you an easy way out: You can accept he will get bfrd and save some face. That's what this "debate" has been since the first time I launched the bfr idea.

Also, you still have no feats, implied power is cool and everything, but implication means things are not explicit. We don't really know how high are those Void abilties which nobody quite knew -not us, the readers, that's for certain-. My biggest issue with Sentry/Void is that some posters have jumped in the bandwagon of him having "the highest possible power he could have with what we saw", which is downright unreasonable -and in your particular case, biased, because I know you don't do other characters this kind of favor-.

I accept that we can differ in opinions, but when you're assuming things that cannot be held in a debate I'm calling you on it. You cannot say Void dimension hops when he never interacted with different dimensions in any significant way.

The Void's feats back it up. The guy can be completely annihilated and come back. Odin can't. Surfer can't. Thanos can though. Oh yeah.

He's been altered and taken out via timeline manipulation and still came back under his own power. That to me says it all.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Void's just there to soak up attacks Thanos doesn't want to take. I don't know if he's allowed to reform from complete annihilation though, but if he is, he's pretty much only good for a shield.

why is he only good for a shield?...he has shown been shown to have more power output then even MM, unless u dont think current MM can harm odin...he also make high herald look like flies and even a nornstone loki

Originally posted by quanchi112
He can't be bfr'd. He never has been and acting like Sentry is the same as the Void is simply ridiculous. No one has killed the Void as of yet unless he cooperates so I think he'd tear Odin in half.

Not how it works at all, you have to actually prove Void is harder to bfr that Sentry, which apparently you cannot do, since you've been avoiding this issue the whole debate. If you're lucky some actual Sentry fans like bbrem will defend this point better than you do, but I actually haven't heard a word in this post that made me change my mind.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Void's feats back it up. The guy can be completely annihilated and come back. Odin can't. Surfer can't. Thanos can though. Oh yeah.

Which has nothing to do with anything. Maybe Wolverine can survive attacks that Kang cannot take, but Kang still would return from the future while Logan is stranded. Different powersets mean different interactions and more important: The need of actually proving your powers through feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's been altered and taken out via timeline manipulation and still came back under his own power. That to me says it all.

If we were actually talking about real world physics there would be a chance that time-manipulation and downright annihilation were related with teleporting, but comics are so bad with physics that we cannot assume the abilities will be related, and we should do a case by case scenario. One ability which can implicate some feats for a character can be much less impressive in another, just consider the different degrees in which gravity manipulation is employed in comics.

I don't mind to discuss about Void's possible abilities, I'm just not going to make him an exception in the way I judge every character here in KMC. This happens to hinder many characters I like -Korvac, the Collector, Kang-, but it's the best way to discuss characters in a civil manner.

Originally posted by bbrem123
why is he only good for a shield?...he has shown been shown to have more power output then even MM, unless u dont think current MM can harm odin...he also make high herald look like flies and even a nornstone loki

It really depends in how high you rate Odin, I think Void can seriously hurt him, the question is if he could actually reach Odin and deal his damage before being in the receiving end of Odin's attacks.

Originally posted by Bentley
Not how it works at all, you have to actually prove Void is harder to bfr that Sentry, which apparently you cannot do, since you've been avoiding this issue the whole debate. If you're lucky some actual Sentry fans like bbrem will defend this point better than you do, but I actually haven't heard a word in this post that made me change my mind.

Which has nothing to do with anything. Maybe Wolverine can survive attacks that Kang cannot take, but Kang still would return from the future while Logan is stranded. Different powersets mean different interactions and more important: The need of actually proving your powers through feats.

If we were actually talking about real world physics there would be a chance that time-manipulation and downright annihilation were related with teleporting, but comics are so bad with physics that we cannot assume the abilities will be related, and we should do a case by case scenario. One ability which can implicate some feats for a character can be much less impressive in another, just consider the different degrees in which gravity manipulation is employed in comics.

I don't mind to discuss about Void's possible abilities, I'm just not going to make him an exception in the way I judge every character here in KMC. This happens to hinder many characters I like -Korvac, the Collector, Kang-, but it's the best way to discuss characters in a civil manner.

Void's come back to a different location so he has shown through time manipulation he can get back under his own power.

See you are doing it again dismissing everything because you just have made your mind up. That's not how I debate I always open my mind to what the other poster is trying to say unlike you who picks and chooses what he takes from the comic books.

No proof whatsoever you can strand the Void and looking at this intelligently with the minds he's been up against and the entire planet it makes no sense that a simple bfr can get the job done anyways.

Originally posted by bbrem123
why is he only good for a shield?...he has shown been shown to have more power output then even MM, unless u dont think current MM can harm odin...he also make high herald look like flies and even a nornstone loki

High Heralds look like flies? He got his shit pushed in by a rejuvenated Thor, and Nornstone Loki wasn't fighting back at all... then it was revealed that he wanted to die anyway, so
Hell, it was blatantly shown that the Nornstones were above him...