Odin VS Thanos & The Void

Originally posted by Bentley
But how exactly is that teleportation, for one thing it sure wasn't instantaneous the first two times, and then, it didn't travelled a very far distance while doing it. Just to assume his movement while reformed equals the fastest kind of interdimensional travel in comicdom sounds like jumping into conclussions.

We're reading comics, going against common sense is very unusual, I'm not exactly how that's even an argument. "Batman is a genius but the Joker still gets out of prision and murders people", see what I did there?

Batman not killing him doesn't make him stupid just unrealistic and adhering to a higher moral code.

Reed and Strange actually trying their best to defeat the Void yet coming up empty leads us to believe bfr isn't even an option since it's something they can easily accomplish.

Originally posted by Nihilist
May isnt good enough and the only time he said anything of the sort iirc was in a What If which is non cannon.

The only time it is really suggested in DA is by Norman, and his wife Lindy never said anything of the sort iirc, she just thought he was a killer/lunatic.

The only thing Osbourne knew was that he needed a serum and would kill people for him acting as him own personal angel of death.

Geuss work inst good enough proof im afraid.

wrong, his wife clearly explains how she beleives her husband is not merely serum empowered, but linked/connected to a higher power. try reading the dark avengers final arc. and as for osborn, he seemed to truly beleive void was the angel of death.

It was heavily implied that Sentry was connected to GOD, and was the Angel of Death. Frankly, he kind of beat us over the head with the concept. Unfortunately, even when Bendis puts something in print, it doesn't actually end up meaning anything. Just like the Daredevil/Ronin, Baby Cage/Skrull and Void/Matter Manipulator angles all went to shit at the drop of a hat. At the end, Bendis just wrote some lunatic with Trans level power.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bendis is full of shit.

I would pay good money to see the current Odin reaction to the Void when claims to be a God killing Angel. The *ss kicking that would follow would be legendary.

Originally posted by wildernesss
wrong, his wife clearly explains how she beleives her husband is not merely serum empowered, but linked/connected to a higher power. try reading the dark avengers final arc. and as for osborn, he seemed to truly beleive void was the angel of death.

You mean the Norman Osbourne that was going insane with all that Goblin shit going on in head. Sorry but words of a rambling nut job with no other solid proof/mention of Death God/Angel status hold no weight

^I would bet good money that if someone brought this up with Bendis, that's almost the exact argument he'd use.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^I would bet good money that if someone brought this up with Bendis, that's almost the exact argument he'd use.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was still learning his powers and wasn't aware of them fully yet.

Batman not killing him doesn't make him stupid just unrealistic and adhering to a higher moral code.

Reed and Strange actually trying their best to defeat the Void yet coming up empty leads us to believe bfr isn't even an option since it's something they can easily accomplish.

So Batman gets to have a moral code while Reed and Strange are savages who don't want to send a friend of theirs to another dimension in order to save their butts? I'm sorry, but we're talking comics here, plot's need to revolve around things more interesting than sending every threat to another dimension, whether or not the characters could do it. You're trying to sell this as clearcut proof which it certainly isn't.

And the "learning powers", still falls under the infinite fallacy problem, I'm just not going to assume Void can do anything by learning more because he has a high powerlevel. You just can't debate that way, it's unfair to other posters and based on false premises.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, but despite whatever argument Quan pretends to build, the concept of rebuilding from molecular dispersion isn't linked directly with teleportation. Which actual feats does Void have to evade bfr? If anyone can actually answer that in a serious way, I'd like to hear it.

I don't think it needs to be. He had his molecules dispersed by one of the most powerful beings in the universe it's not directly related to teleportation but has some similarities.

Also take into account what happened to him with Morgan Le Fey from what I remember he was wiped out from the timeline. Now that has got to be the most drastic way of killing somebody. If you can survive that you can survive anything.

So yea based on those two exmples Quan is right. What you seem to be arguing is that becuase it's not exactly the same its a faulty argument. It's like trying to argue somebody who can survive Cyclops optic blast and a black hole can't withstand a punch from Thor because the examples are not directly related. If you look at what the attacks involve you can use common sense to come to a logical conclusion.

Originally posted by Nihilist
His wife believed that's all, its not like she was some sort of expert on higher powered entitys and you are going by what she believed I geuss we just ignore the on panel showing of bob taking the serum to become the Sentry and Osbourne giving more and more serum...after all lindys sceptical words>>>>>several on panel showings.

You mean the Norman Osbourne that was going insane with all that Goblin shit going on in head. Sorry but words of a rambling nut job with no other solid proof/mention of Death God/Angel status hold no weight

he didn't need to "take more serum" to "become the sentry". the second mini series showed in crystal clear canon that the initial serum he ingested gave him permanent powers. osborn was dosing him with extra serum to facilitate the void's release through some kind of powerful "high" or consciousness shift brought on by the excess serum.his wife could be 100% correct & the serum may be nothing more than a catalyst which enabled "possession" for lack of a better word.

osborn's words hold weight if you consider the devastation void brought to asgard & his mastery over death. sure, it isn't proven that void was truly the angel of death, but it sure as hell shouldn't surprise anyone if he is.

There is no Christian God in the MU. So no he probably won't be the angel of God but a powerful entity.

Originally posted by Deadline
There is no Christian God in the MU. So no he probably won't be the angel of God but a powerful entity.

angels are frequently seen in the pages of ghost rider. i beleive ghost rider is an angel himself iirc. so sentry/void could possibly be some kind of wrathful angel.

Originally posted by wildernesss
angels are frequently seen in the pages of ghost rider. i beleive ghost rider is an angel himself iirc. so sentry/void could possibly be some kind of wrathful angel.

As far as I'm aware they're not angels they are abstract forces that take form according to what people believe.

Originally posted by Deadline
As far as I'm aware they're not angels they are abstract forces that take form according to what people believe.

fair enough, i'm not disputing that. i'm simply saying that they're frequently referred to as angels.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't think it needs to be. He had his molecules dispersed by one of the most powerful beings in the universe it's not directly related to teleportation but has some similarities.

Also take into account what happened to him with Morgan Le Fey from what I remember he was wiped out from the timeline. Now that has got to be the most drastic way of killing somebody. If you can survive that you can survive anything.

So yea based on those two exmples Quan is right. What you seem to be arguing is that becuase it's not exactly the same its a faulty argument. It's like trying to argue somebody who can survive Cyclops optic blast and a black hole can't withstand a punch from Thor because the examples are not directly related. If you look at what the attacks involve you can use common sense to come to a logical conclusion.

I just don't see what's the point of giving someone who hasn't travelled through dimensions the ability to travel through dimensions based in some thin conception of the attacks that dispersed Void.

Dimensional hoping and regenerating are two different abilities, Void has enough abilities on his own to then have people inventing new powers by stretching his few showings. There is no need to debase the character like that.

Originally posted by Bentley
I just don't see what's the point of giving someone who hasn't travelled through dimensions the ability to travel through dimensions based in some thin conception of the attacks that dispersed Void.

actually, sentry/void has travelled dimensions. everytime he dies wouldn't he enter the realm or dimension of death? and since the void is a death entity or angel he would have some kind of substantial anchor within that dimension.

Originally posted by Bentley
I just don't see what's the point of giving someone who hasn't travelled through dimensions the ability to travel through dimensions based in some thin conception of the attacks that dispersed Void.

Dimensional hoping and regenerating are two different abilities, Void has enough abilities on his own to then have people inventing new powers by stretching his few showings. There is no need to debase the character like that.

Originally posted by Deadline

Also take into account what happened to him with Morgan Le Fey from what I remember he was wiped out from the timeline. Now that has got to be the most drastic way of killing somebody. If you can survive that you can survive anything.

And he can snatch people from time and erase them from existence.

I'm trying to give you a hint.

Originally posted by wildernesss
actually, sentry/void has travelled dimensions. everytime he dies wouldn't he enter the realm or dimension of death? and since the void is a death entity or angel he would have some kind of substantial anchor within that dimension.

You can argue that Void molecules never actually left the dimension but they were dispersed, even time-manipulation would technicaly work you within the same time line to become what you would've been in that dimension. If we take Molecule Man's word on Sentry's molecules they are unique, so they could be persistant within the universe they are at in the moment of destruction. But if they've been moved before destruction, the "anchor" -those molecules- would've left too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was heavily implied that Sentry was connected to GOD, and was the Angel of Death. Frankly, he kind of beat us over the head with the concept. Unfortunately, even when Bendis puts something in print, it doesn't actually end up meaning anything. Just like the Daredevil/Ronin, Baby Cage/Skrull and Void/Matter Manipulator angles all went to shit at the drop of a hat. At the end, Bendis just wrote some lunatic with Trans level power.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bendis is full of shit.

I would pay good money to see the current Odin reaction to the Void when claims to be a God killing Angel. The *ss kicking that would follow would be legendary.

Yep, it sure was marked in stone during the Sentry arc that he was the "angel of death". Bendis basically made that known. I don't know what type of proof some of these people are asking for to make it clear cut besides Bendis himself referring to Sentry as this throughout the arc.

What other proof is needed? The only other proof that would be expected is Sentry having a convo with God himself and I HOPE that isn't what some of these people are asking for.

Sentry was the angel of death but does that gives him an auto-win... sure doesnt, especially against someone as powerful as Odin.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You just ignored everything I said... and Thor beating up Void, and the Nornstone empowered heroes beating up Void, and Loki wanting to die. Ignoring on panel proof, amirite?

Also, it doesn't matter if Loki fired a blast at Void. That isn't exactly fighting back knowing the capabilities of the Nornstones, and it doesn't exactly say that Loki wasn't trying to die (which he was).

You seem like the type of guy who would argue the color of a panel instead of anything of meaning. 👆

Concession accepted though.

thor beating up void?? come on now...it was shown that void wanted to die and that is the only way he could be beat....thor is nothing compared to void....and all i see is that void i beyond the stones and killed loki who was trying to kill him throughout the whole fight....all u do is take everything out of context to fit what u want to be true...nice try tho buddy

Originally posted by Bentley
So Batman gets to have a moral code while Reed and Strange are savages who don't want to send a friend of theirs to another dimension in order to save their butts? I'm sorry, but we're talking comics here, plot's need to revolve around things more interesting than sending every threat to another dimension, whether or not the characters could do it. You're trying to sell this as clearcut proof which it certainly isn't.

And the "learning powers", still falls under the infinite fallacy problem, I'm just not going to assume Void can do anything by learning more because he has a high powerlevel. You just can't debate that way, it's unfair to other posters and based on false premises.

We've also seen scans of him probably teleporting and surviving a timeline wipe and returning under your own power is far better than being bfr'd to another dimension.

I come to a logical conclusion whereas you don't. I'm right you're wrong.