Originally posted by BentleyThe worst Odin can do is destroy his body to which he comes back while Odin depletes more energy and will be rendered needing an odin nap after a while even if you think the power gap is that huge between the two.
It really depends in how high you rate Odin, I think Void can seriously hurt him, the question is if he could actually reach Odin and deal his damage before being in the receiving end of Odin's attacks.
Originally posted by Bentley
It really depends in how high you rate Odin, I think Void can seriously hurt him, the question is if he could actually reach Odin and deal his damage before being in the receiving end of Odin's attacks.
the thing is tho...there is both thanos and void here...and we have seen a weaker thanos take the complete attention of odin, giving void easy openings for attacks
i just dont think odin can control the field which is consisting of two power characters.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He hasn't shown more power output than MM... he's beaten MM while he caught him off guard, but he hasn't shown more power output than him. Especially when he couldn't fix the town in the same page.High Heralds look like flies? He got his shit pushed in by a rejuvenated Thor, and Nornstone Loki wasn't fighting back at all... then it was revealed that he wanted to die anyway, so
Hell, it was blatantly shown that the Nornstones were above him...
he didnt put everything back because he didnt have as good control as MM did...if u read the comic you would know this
have u ever seen any appearances by void?
and yes loki was fighting back...he plan as day attacked him and got destroyed...and no the stones were not above him...they were annoying him nothing more...please read the comic before arguing...and if u did read them, go back and read them again because u missed the important stuff
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm not posting scans for you. I won't go look for scans because you'll dismiss anything for the Sentry/Void so it's a waste of time. You are already dismissing the scans posted and will always continue to do so.
Scans which don't prove dimension hoping, which needs to be proved by reasons I already explained. Posting scans doesn't mean I need to agree to your point when your point has nothing to do with the scans. Again, I'm not asking you to search for them either, but bbrem got me some issue numbers and I can search them myself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Void's come back to a different location so he has shown through time manipulation he can get back under his own power.
Which dimension? Asgard? Dormmanu's realm? The Kree Galaxy at least? I already stressed that a very important part of proving this feat is scale. Something that Nightcrawler can do -teleporting- has nothing to do with being bfrd by someone on Odin level.
Originally posted by quanchi112
See you are doing it again dismissing everything because you just have made your mind up. That's not how I debate I always open my mind to what the other poster is trying to say unlike you who picks and chooses what he takes from the comic books.
And yet I've never see you change your mind 😛
Originally posted by quanchi112
No proof whatsoever you can strand the Void and looking at this intelligently with the minds he's been up against and the entire planet it makes no sense that a simple bfr can get the job done anyways.
Which would be a nice argument if Marvel heroes weren't utter morons. I'm sorry but after House of M happened, hanging with Sentry being an Avenger is nonesense, Planet Hulk happened and also, Sentry originally being a hero -and Thor refusing to kill him even after the fall of Asgard, after all that brutality and murder- apparently made him go easy on him. They are idiots.
ALSO, you can argue that they would have a hard time containing Bob so they could get rid of him, they never tried to actually do so, so we can only speculate if they could pull it off. The fact that Odin is WAY beyond the scope of Marvel Earth heroes allows this to sit a little more comfortable as an argument. Even if the Marvel heroes would fail, Odin could succeed.
(You still haven't proof he can't be bfrd btw)
Originally posted by BentleyComing back from timestream manipulation is being in another dimension. Same thing except even more difficult.
Scans which don't prove dimension hoping, which needs to be proved by reasons I already explained. Posting scans doesn't mean I need to agree to your point when your point has nothing to do with the scans. Again, I'm not asking you to search for them either, but bbrem got me some issue numbers and I can search them myself.Which dimension? Asgard? Dormmanu's realm? The Kree Galaxy at least? I already stressed that a very important part of proving this feat is scale. Something that Nightcrawler can do -teleporting- has nothing to do with being bfrd by someone on Odin level.
And yet I've never see you change your mind 😛
Which would be a nice argument if Marvel heroes weren't utter morons. I'm sorry but after House of M happened, hanging with Sentry being an Avenger is nonesense, Planet Hulk happened and also, Sentry originally being a hero -and Thor refusing to kill him even after the fall of Asgard, after all that brutality and murder- apparently made him go easy on him. They are idiots.
ALSO, you can argue that they would have a hard time containing Bob so they could get rid of him, they never tried to actually do so, so we can only speculate if they could pull it off. The fact that Odin is WAY beyond the scope of Marvel Earth heroes allows this to sit a little more comfortable as an argument. Even if the Marvel heroes would fail, Odin could succeed.
(You still haven't proof he can't be bfrd btw)
You also need to prove dimensional warping can work through all the stuff that the Void has come back from. Acting like he's like any of these other characters when on the fly he learned he can reality mm is just plain silly.
I used to think Darkseid killed DD but galan changed my mind.
They aren't idiots. Reed and Strange were involved and Thor wanted to see him pay for his crimes which makes sense as a hero but when he realized more innocents might die in the process he cooperated with bobtry.
I also don't think Odin is well beyond Reed richards and strange putting theiri minds to something. Odin along with his entire army save Thor was beaten by ants with laser pistons. Richards and Strange have tackled through prep greater threats than Odin but came up with nothing against the Void.
Originally posted by bbrem123He couldn't?
he didnt put everything back because he didnt have as good control as MM did...if u read the comic you would know thishave u ever seen any appearances by void?
and yes loki was fighting back...he plan as day attacked him and got destroyed...and no the stones were not above him...they were annoying him nothing more...please read the comic before arguing...and if u did read them, go back and read them again because u missed the important stuff
Nope. He might have shot a beam at Void, but it wasn't clear if it was directed at him or to the heroes. Also, I find it funny how you ignored the part where Loki wanted to die. You'd think such a Void supporter as yourself would understand wanting to die.
Question is, did you read the comic? Because Void got his ass kicked by the Nornstone powered heroes, before he went after the source. Even Nornstone powered Cap was able to hurt him. When he whines about them not playing fair, then all they managed to do was annoy him amirite?
And when Loki died, full powered Thor took Void to town, so...
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebBetween Sentry and Molecule Man, Sentry was more powerful. That's more A>B logic. They fought, Owen lost.
He couldn't?
I'm still not clear of the ABC logic though of him having more power output than MM.Nope. He might have shot a beam at Void, but it wasn't clear if it was directed at him or to the heroes. Also, I find it funny how you ignored the part where Loki wanted to die. You'd think such a Void supporter as yourself would understand wanting to die.
Question is, did you read the comic? Because Void got his ass kicked by the Nornstone powered heroes, before he went after the source. Even Nornstone powered Cap was able to hurt him. When he whines about them not playing fair, then all they managed to do was annoy him amirite?And when Loki died, full powered Thor took Void to town, so...
I think it's pretty obvious he was shooting the Void. And while Loki may have welcomed annihilation, he was still trying to defeat the Void, hence him helping everyone.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Winning doesn't mean more powerful. Like Cap beating up Hulk... except in that case it does prove he's more powerful... A snake beating up Hulk?
Between Sentry and Molecule Man, Sentry was more powerful. That's more A>B logic. They fought, Owen lost.I think it's pretty obvious he was shooting the Void. And while Loki may have welcomed annihilation, he was still trying to defeat the Void, hence him helping everyone.
Nope, it isn't. If you need me to, I'll draw a dog to prove you wrong.
Through others, not directly.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Between Sentry and Molecule Man, Sentry was more powerful. That's more A>B logic. They fought, Owen lost.I think it's pretty obvious he was shooting the Void. And while Loki may have welcomed annihilation, he was still trying to defeat the Void, hence him helping everyone.
👆 yup...he just doesnt know what hes talking about...or he wont admit that he is wrong
plan as day that he is trying to hurt void
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9181/siege01011.jpg
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Winning doesn't mean more powerful. Like Cap beating up Hulk... except in that case it does prove he's more powerful... A snake beating up Hulk?Nope, it isn't. If you need me to, I'll draw a dog to prove you wrong.
Through others, not directly.
if MM were more powerful he would be able to resist sentrys attacks...which he obviously couldnt
Originally posted by bbrem123Sentry couldn't resist MM's attack either... Just because you can't resist a well, let's call it a cheapshot, that doesn't mean you're less powerful.
if MM were more powerful he would be able to resist sentrys attacks...which he obviously couldnt
That leaves us with one character being able to reform and another character not being able to. If MM could have reformed the first guy to get off would have just kept killing the other. Not really proving who's more powerful, but powerful enough against the other.
Originally posted by bbrem123You just abandoned all of your previous points in favor of one singular blast. I wouldn't be talking about not knowing things if I were you.
👆 yup...he just doesnt know what hes talking about...or he wont admit that he is wrongplan as day that he is trying to hurt void
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9181/siege01011.jpg
Either way, he's either shooting one power blast at Void or trying to power up the heroes more. Considering he could have went intangible, teleported, created a shield, or any other means easily, but I guess that falls in line with him wanting to die like Void did, and if we ignore that, then we might as well ignore Void wanting to die too. Which was my point.
What was your point? Oh wait... you abandoned that.
Originally posted by bbrem123You just ignored everything I said... and Thor beating up Void, and the Nornstone empowered heroes beating up Void, and Loki wanting to die. Ignoring on panel proof, amirite?
no ur just to thickheaded to see the on panel proof...no reason arguing with u anymore...u obviously dont know ur comics to well
Also, it doesn't matter if Loki fired a blast at Void. That isn't exactly fighting back knowing the capabilities of the Nornstones, and it doesn't exactly say that Loki wasn't trying to die (which he was).
You seem like the type of guy who would argue the color of a panel instead of anything of meaning. 👆
Concession accepted though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Since when has Odin ever bfr'd someone in time anyways. Bob returned of his own power to the present after morgana mucked around.
Odin did it against Gladiator from the future, after Thor defeated time traveling Gladiator, Odin appears and send him back to his own timeline. Thor vol.2 #33-35
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderNo.
Can Thanos's Force Block trap Void Quan?
Originally posted by the DarkoneBecause he couldn't have Thor aware of what was set to take place Thor had to learn for himself.It's out of character for Odin but I did not remember off hand that he sent Gladiator back to the future like a mcfly.
Odin did it against Gladiator from the future, after Thor defeated time traveling Gladiator, Odin appears and send him back to his own timeline. Thor vol.2 #33-35
Originally posted by quanchi112
Coming back from timestream manipulation is being in another dimension. Same thing except even more difficult.You also need to prove dimensional warping can work through all the stuff that the Void has come back from. Acting like he's like any of these other characters when on the fly he learned he can reality mm is just plain silly.
No, I don't need to prove squat. You're the one claiming that the manipulation Morgana used is akin to dimensional traveling, and the one trying to prove Void can respond to being sent away. You're inside an infinity fallacy "Void did something amazing so he can do more amazing/different".
I'm not criticizing your opinion, you can think Bob can do something he never did, but you can't criticize me for not believeing the same thing, under the concept of him never doing it, nor having any actual basis of him posessing such powers. The arguments you've brought -time manipulation- are as murky as they can possibly get. When you time-manipulate in the Marvel Universe, sometimes you just create an alternate reality, and some others you seem to affect the timeline itself; this second time tends to be linked to the use of a special device to that effect, in this case I'd assume is Morgana's magic. So is he resisting magic or time-manipulation? Who cares? The point is that we barely understand what happens, so we cannot just say "he dimension hopped", how would we possibly know if what he did is akin to be thrown to another dimension?
Originally posted by quanchi112
They aren't idiots. Reed and Strange were involved and Thor wanted to see him pay for his crimes which makes sense as a hero but when he realized more innocents might die in the process he cooperated with bobtry.
Something they didn't try isn't something we're gonna criticize, they never even tried to bfr Bob, so the point is moot.
Originally posted by BentleyIf he comes back under his own power he comes back under his own power also to a different location.
No, I don't need to prove squat. You're the one claiming that the manipulation Morgana used is akin to dimensional traveling, and the one trying to prove Void can respond to being sent away. You're inside an infinity fallacy "Void did something amazing so he can do more amazing/different".I'm not criticizing your opinion, you can think Bob can do something he never did, but you can't criticize me for not believeing the same thing, under the concept of him never doing it, nor having any actual basis of him posessing such powers. The arguments you've brought -time manipulation- are as murky as they can possibly get. When you time-manipulate in the Marvel Universe, sometimes you just create an alternate reality, and some others you seem to affect the timeline itself; this second time tends to be linked to the use of a special device to that effect, in this case I'd assume is Morgana's magic. So is he resisting magic or time-manipulation? Who cares? The point is that we barely understand what happens, so we cannot just say "he dimension hopped", how would we possibly know if what he did is akin to be thrown to another dimension?
Something they didn't try isn't something we're gonna criticize, they never even tried to bfr Bob, so the point is moot.
You called them idiots but they aren't and to suggest something this easy would defeat the Void is quite a stretch and goes against common sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If he comes back under his own power he comes back under his own power also to a different location.You called them idiots but they aren't and to suggest something this easy would defeat the Void is quite a stretch and goes against common sense.
But how exactly is that teleportation, for one thing it sure wasn't instantaneous the first two times, and then, it didn't travelled a very far distance while doing it. Just to assume his movement while reformed equals the fastest kind of interdimensional travel in comicdom sounds like jumping into conclussions.
We're reading comics, going against common sense is very unusual, I'm not exactly how that's even an argument. "Batman is a genius but the Joker still gets out of prision and murders people", see what I did there?
