Originally posted by Burning thoughtUsing their best strength feats and ignoring their portrayal is ridiculous. Kratos does more than likely have superior strength but strength in a fight isn't the all determining factor. I mean I swear on here most think the stronger guy automatically wins. It's plain ridiculous.
He resisted Chronos slapping down on him if you recall, and all he did was push the hand back up again and carry on. Did not even wound him.Based on what feats? what feats does Gabriel have to put his strength on par with Kratos? or better yet, what feats does his weapon have to put its power level above a slap from someone the size of a large skyscraper?
He defeats his enemies nothing like Gabriel, most of the time gabriel uses some sort of skill advantage, while Kratos usually uses brute strength, a further difference is that Kratos' enemies are far more powerful than those Kratos defeats save maybe Satan with a little overhyping based on religion. Satans feats, physical and magical still do not compare with the Gods.
Kratos uses skill as well and Gabriel uses a combination of both. He resists stronger beings strength wise then attacks and gradually becomes more powerful and goes to crazy levels at the end of resurrection.
The Forgotten One or satan or even Zobek probably can solo earth. That's pretty impressive whereas the gods in gow are very impressive but none could probably solo earth on their own. The speed of the vampires too like Olrox shows what type of speed Gabriel can react to and his in game cinemas show what he's capable of with his insane skill level on top on his ever increasing power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Using their best strength feats and ignoring their portrayal is ridiculous. Kratos does more than likely have superior strength but strength in a fight isn't the all determining factor. I mean I swear on here most think the stronger guy automatically wins. It's plain ridiculous.Kratos uses skill as well and Gabriel uses a combination of both. He resists stronger beings strength wise then attacks and gradually becomes more powerful and goes to crazy levels at the end of resurrection.
The Forgotten One or satan or even Zobek probably can solo earth. That's pretty impressive whereas the gods in gow are very impressive but none could probably solo earth on their own. The speed of the vampires too like Olrox shows what type of speed Gabriel can react to and his in game cinemas show what he's capable of with his insane skill level on top on his ever increasing power.
Kratos is portrayed as ridiculously strong and his feats speak for this matter as well, you cannot just ignore feats of what the characters done. NO, most people think that someone who cannot be harmed by the other auotmatically wins.
Arguable, most of Zues' best victories are through pure strength and ferocity rather than a skillful finish. "resists stronger beings strength wise", show me these stronger beings because so far Gabriel has fought nobody as strong as the Gods.
What earth are we talking about? normal humans? none? Ares himself is enormous, could step on anything human made and thats just Ares, who is tiny compared to a Titan, a walking empire state building would lay low earth but whats more, they have feats wheras Satan and Zobek are ambigious....
Whats the point if he cannot even harm Kratos, being able to run quicker than a tank is useless if you cannot scratch its armour.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI said Kratos is pretty strong and give him the strength edge but it isn't so vast that gabriel can't beat him.
Kratos is portrayed as ridiculously strong and his feats speak for this matter as well, you cannot just ignore feats of what the characters done. NO, most people think that someone who cannot be harmed by the other auotmatically wins.Arguable, most of Zues' best victories are through pure strength and ferocity rather than a skillful finish. "resists stronger beings strength wise", show me these stronger beings because so far Gabriel has fought nobody as strong as the Gods.
What earth are we talking about? normal humans? none? Ares himself is enormous, could step on anything human made and thats just Ares, who is tiny compared to a Titan, a walking empire state building would lay low earth but whats more, they have feats wheras Satan and Zobek are ambigious....
Whats the point if he cannot even harm Kratos, being able to run quicker than a tank is useless if you cannot scratch its armour.
What has Zeus done to imply great strength, feat wise ? His power feats are pretty exceptional but even his win against the titans was due to one plot device weapon not pure strength.
Ares wasn't tiny compared to a Titan. The gods also showed they have the power to hurt/kill the Titans who are slow.
We see Zobek and satan in action. We don't see them actually reduce the world to ashes but it's implied if Gabriel fails earth loses. Not only earth but heaven will have to war with the god mask.
He can hurt Kratos. Kratos gets cut and hurt all the time. You are drinking the same cool aid as the others if you think the combat cross is bouncing off Kratos' skin. It's ridiculous without anything to support it whatsoever.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said Kratos is pretty strong and give him the strength edge but it isn't so vast that gabriel can't beat him.What has Zeus done to imply great strength, feat wise ? His power feats are pretty exceptional but even his win against the titans was due to one plot device weapon not pure strength.
Ares wasn't tiny compared to a Titan. The gods also showed they have the power to hurt/kill the Titans who are slow.
We see Zobek and satan in action. We don't see them actually reduce the world to ashes but it's implied if Gabriel fails earth loses. Not only earth but heaven will have to war with the god mask.
He can hurt Kratos. Kratos gets cut and hurt all the time. You are drinking the same cool aid as the others if you think the combat cross is bouncing off Kratos' skin. It's ridiculous without anything to support it whatsoever.
Weve seen it so vast, Gabriel would be smeared into a blood pool in Chronos' hand, hell based on feats most characters in GoW could do that.
Fought on equel terms and in some cases not so equel terms with Kratos, which is a pretty dang good strength feat. Although I admit, I made a typo and meant to say Kratos' best victories are through strength.
Yes they are, their smaller than their knees/ankles, their like super midgets vs giants by comparison 😛 , yes their slow, this does not make a difference.
Thats not because Satan is powerful, its because of as you pointed out for Zues, "plot device weapon", which is the God mask.
When? Kratos in canon has never iirc cut/hurt by anyone beyond a God/godly weapon since gaining so much power in GoW 2 and 3. The combat cross has no feats, its bouncing off/doing no damage because the pounds per square inch of force Kratos' skin can take and indeed his entire body is equel to a slap from a Titan....which is to say an incredible amount of force, some "peak human+" man is not going to damage Kratos until you get some new DLC feats (having played lords of shadow to completion I know Gabriel has no comparable feats to what Kratos has dealt with).
POst a feat or point one out that proves the combat cross is>>>a Titans strength, hundreds of thousands of tonnes of force...
Originally posted by Burning thoughtBased on what ? We've seen him defeat large titans himself through skill and through strength. Those titans are far bigger than gabriel.
Weve seen it so vast, Gabriel would be smeared into a blood pool in Chronos' hand, hell based on feats most characters in GoW could do that.Fought on equel terms and in some cases not so equel terms with Kratos, which is a pretty dang good strength feat. Although I admit, I made a typo and meant to say Kratos' best victories are through strength.
Yes they are, their smaller than their knees/ankles, their like super midgets vs giants by comparison 😛 , yes their slow, this does not make a difference.
Thats not because Satan is powerful, its because of as you pointed out for Zues, "plot device weapon", which is the God mask.
When? Kratos in canon has never iirc cut/hurt by anyone beyond a God/godly weapon since gaining so much power in GoW 2 and 3. The combat cross has no feats, its bouncing off/doing no damage because the pounds per square inch of force Kratos' skin can take and indeed his entire body is equel to a slap from a Titan....which is to say an incredible amount of force, some "peak human+" man is not going to damage Kratos until you get some new DLC feats (having played lords of shadow to completion I know Gabriel has no comparable feats to what Kratos has dealt with).
POst a feat or point one out that proves the combat cross is>>>a Titans strength, hundreds of thousands of tonnes of force...
Kratos like Gabriel is portrayed as winning but that doesn't mean the enemies who they fight can't hurt them. You have to see beyond the cutscenes to realize Kratos can die. Kratos can die if giant Ares hits him with his sword though that doesn't happen that doesn't mean Kratos can stand there and let him.
You're basically basing this off a few Kratos feats and implying anything less can't hurt him which is ridiculous.
It's irrelevant. Here I will try to make sense of it to you. Take Mike Tyson at his peak and let's take a little 5 year old girl. His strength vastly outlclasses her along with hitting power but his skin won't shake off a knife even wielded by a five year old girl.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ? We've seen him defeat large titans himself through skill and through strength. Those titans are far bigger than gabriel.Kratos like Gabriel is portrayed as winning but that doesn't mean the enemies who they fight can't hurt them. You have to see beyond the cutscenes to realize Kratos can die. Kratos can die if giant Ares hits him with his sword though that doesn't happen that doesn't mean Kratos can stand there and let him.
You're basically basing this off a few Kratos feats and implying anything less can't hurt him which is ridiculous.
It's irrelevant. Here I will try to make sense of it to you. Take Mike Tyson at his peak and let's take a little 5 year old girl. His strength vastly outlclasses her along with hitting power but his skin won't shake off a knife even wielded by a five year old girl.
Based on the fact Gabriel has no feats to suggest he can survive Chronos' strike, put Gabriel in the same position and take the strike, Gabriel will be splattered...Kratos stood unharmed, this is incredible durability yet you cannot see this.
There is no "beyond the cutscenes" unless your trying to use gameplay mechanics, all enemies and characters in all games can hurt eachother in the gameplay. Maybe, what are you suggesting that Gabriel has the strength of Giant ares? 🙄
Why is it ridiculous? if Kratos has done it, and we have seen him do it in the storyline who are you to say off hand that they do not count? there are no special conditions to give Kratos advantages in those scenes, he did it with pure strength/durability.
Thats because Mike tysons skin does not have the PSI strength to take the girls force on a knife edge. Your argument falls flat when this is not the same comparison, this is thousands and thousands of tonnes slamming Kratos, the PSI force was calculated iirc in the hundreds of thousands. A human beings strength through a knife cannot create hundreds of thousands of tonnes of force can it? yes or no?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtWhat you don't get is these guys don't have to survive the same scenarios and Gabriel won't be in this position anyways. He doesn't have to get into a test of strength with Kratos and can kill him with his strength/skill.
Based on the fact Gabriel has no feats to suggest he can survive Chronos' strike, put Gabriel in the same position and take the strike, Gabriel will be splattered...Kratos stood unharmed, this is incredible durability yet you cannot see this.There is no "beyond the cutscenes" unless your trying to use gameplay mechanics, all enemies and characters in all games can hurt eachother in the gameplay. Maybe, what are you suggesting that Gabriel has the strength of Giant ares? 🙄
Why is it ridiculous? if Kratos has done it, and we have seen him do it in the storyline who are you to say off hand that they do not count? there are no special conditions to give Kratos advantages in those scenes, he did it with pure strength/durability.
Thats because Mike tysons skin does not have the PSI strength to take the girls force on a knife edge. Your argument falls flat when this is not the same comparison, this is thousands and thousands of tonnes slamming Kratos, the PSI force was calculated iirc in the hundreds of thousands. A human beings strength through a knife cannot create hundreds of thousands of tonnes of force can it? yes or no?
Kratos was giant so it's only fair he cut through an amped Kratos. He doesn't do so since Kratos prevails but that doesn't mean he can't be cut only that he doesn't get cut enough to be defeated. When he has other beings save him. Gabriel dies as well but gets other chances too. This isn't unique to Kratos. Yes, in both games all the enemies can hurt both heroes which means they aren't impervious to damage just that they prevail by being skilled not being being impervious.
It does count but far less can injure him so stating anything else can't hurt him is ignoring 97 percent of the game. You want to ignore the game while I take this feat in and don't lose my head like anything less can't cut his skin. You're looking too far into feats.
No, it doesn't fail as just like Kratos who is very strong his skin isn't impervious and furthermore there's no evidence to suggest he is. None. Quit ignoring the whole game.
Kratos stopped the blade of olympus with his hands. Even if you miss the QTE the blade doesn't cut him when it hits his torso.
Kratos Getting hurt by anything in those games other than other gods is obvious gameplay mechanics. Hell, even if you just stand there and block enemies bleed attacking kratos.
Someone should smack the cobwebs outta your head quanchi.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What you don't get is these guys don't have to survive the same scenarios and Gabriel won't be in this position anyways. He doesn't have to get into a test of strength with Kratos and can kill him with his strength/skill.Kratos was giant so it's only fair he cut through an amped Kratos. He doesn't do so since Kratos prevails but that doesn't mean he can't be cut only that he doesn't get cut enough to be defeated. When he has other beings save him. Gabriel dies as well but gets other chances too. This isn't unique to Kratos. Yes, in both games all the enemies can hurt both heroes which means they aren't impervious to damage just that they prevail by being skilled not being being impervious.
It does count but far less can injure him so stating anything else can't hurt him is ignoring 97 percent of the game. You want to ignore the game while I take this feat in and don't lose my head like anything less can't cut his skin. You're looking too far into feats.
No, it doesn't fail as just like Kratos who is very strong his skin isn't impervious and furthermore there's no evidence to suggest he is. None. Quit ignoring the whole game.
You miss the point, Kratos can survive vast forces and its funny how you say he does not have to get into a test of strength but you then go on to say he kils him with "strength and skill", his strength is nothing, its even more bad a comaprison as a child trying to punch Tyson to the ground, its more like a basic ant biting a grown man in hopes of killing him.
We have seen a small Kratos take vastly more force than either God or Pandora kratos, so your argument is that size is the only factor? No it means their gameplay mechanics, in the storyline Kratos does not get harmed iirc by any non godly entity. You cannot use mechanics from a game to gauge canon strengths.
Show me Kratos canonically getting injured, show me him getting harmed by "far less", if you had a cutscene, or a lot of them you may have some leg to stand on.
😆 You keep saying "theres no evidence", we have Chronos slapping him.
observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHk3esxis8#t=6m49s
Show me a non gameplay GoW 3 reference suggesting Kratos can be harmed by less? I bet if I bothered I could find many marvel references where marvel characters of high renown are defeated by weak forces, even in games.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtEven if it were comparable to a child if a child has the skill, speed, and accuracy of gabriel he can still win.
You miss the point, Kratos can survive vast forces and its funny how you say he does not have to get into a test of strength but you then go on to say he kils him with "strength and skill", his strength is nothing, its even more bad a comaprison as a child trying to punch Tyson to the ground, its more like a basic ant biting a grown man in hopes of killing him.We have seen a small Kratos take vastly more force than either God or Pandora kratos, so your argument is that size is the only factor? No it means their gameplay mechanics, in the storyline Kratos does not get harmed iirc by any non godly entity. You cannot use mechanics from a game to gauge canon strengths.
Show me Kratos canonically getting injured, show me him getting harmed by "far less", if you had a cutscene, or a lot of them you may have some leg to stand on.
😆 You keep saying "theres no evidence", we have Chronos slapping him.
observe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHk3esxis8#t=6m49s
Show me a non gameplay GoW 3 reference suggesting Kratos can be harmed by less? I bet if I bothered I could find many marvel references where marvel characters of high renown are defeated by weak forces, even in games.
No, we haven't seen Kratos do so. We've seen that god Kratos is vastly more powerful than regular Kratos. He can solo armies himself just like ares did but is more than powerful enough to kill the gods in his smaller form as well.
Yes, you can. You don't eve have any cinemas of Kratos or any sword bouncing off of his skin so nothing supports you and we've seen Gabriel injure beings made of stone who are giants, a giant dead dragon, Cornell who is portrayed as having super strength and kill him while less powerful than at the end, and carving up Unforgotten One who laughs off lava with ease. To suggest Kratos can't be cut by the combat cross which has some impressive death feats to it's resume is not only ridiculous it makes no sense and you don't have any proof to support this other than bad abc logic.
That's the problem with you you think cutscenes are the only things that count and don't even have a cutscene showing a normal weapon bouncing off of him so you have no proof and the game shows he can be hurt 98 percent of the time. canonically that doesn't happen due to skill but he's not portrayed as impervious.
You made the claim so the burden is on you. You can't seem to tell the difference between canon and being physically invulnerable. Just because Kratos doesn't die that doesn't mean he can't be cut or killed it just means it doesn't happen in gow 3.
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpyYes, as does Zeus resist it as well. Stopping a blade with your hands is intelligent since it would cut through him. Who in their right mind thinks stopping a blade with your hands means it can't cut you....if it can't why even stop it at all ?
Kratos stopped the blade of olympus with his hands. Even if you miss the QTE the blade doesn't cut him when it hits his torso.Kratos Getting hurt by anything in those games other than other gods is obvious gameplay mechanics. Hell, even if you just stand there and block enemies bleed attacking kratos.
Someone should smack the cobwebs outta your head quanchi.
It also previously killed him. 🙂
Yes, as does Zeus resist it as well. Stopping a blade with your hands is intelligent since it would cut through him. Who in their right mind thinks stopping a blade with your hands means it can't cut you....if it can't why even stop it at all ? It also previously killed him. smile
Because hands are made of skin, flesh and bone, just like the rest of the body, you big, tremendous goof.
I know Zeus resisted it as well, Kratos was trying to steal the blade the entire time not just block it. Notice how both of these characters were pierced only when they charged the blades glowing magical power?
If Kratos and Zeus have so much trouble even damaging each other when they have the strength they do, what makes you think a little weakling like gabriels chain wouldn't explode on impact with kratos bald head?
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpyBecause no enemies sharp pointy objects have ever exploded off of Kratos' head. The combat cross damages beings capable of destroying earth and laughing off lava. To suggest Kratos can resist the combat cross is unfounded. You have no cutscenes where steel breaks against his rough exterior. To back up your claim you need proof.
Because hands are made of skin, flesh and bone, just like the rest of the body, you big, tremendous goof.I know Zeus resisted it as well, Kratos was trying to steal the blade the entire time not just block it. Notice how both of these characters were pierced only when they charged the blades glowing magical power?
If Kratos and Zeus have so much trouble even damaging each other when they have the strength they do, what makes you think a little weakling like gabriels chain wouldn't explode on impact with kratos bald head?
Originally posted by FinalAnswerWah.
Too little too late my friend.