^^; Nono that top line was from your post, I forgot to cut it from my post when typing.
It does. Its two strong forces put together. Kratos is much stronger than Gab, Poseidon is much stronger than Gab and Zeus' bolts are more powerful than whats been shown in LoS.
But has he hurt anything as tough as Kratos before? If tearing a lava resisting guy a new one is the best he's got than it wont compare the the Kratos' white hide.
There was nothing to benefit Poseidon in that scene that he couldn't do under his own power. If the feat was from his strength than its from his strength. If it was due to the speed then it was from the speed that he made himself achieve.
It kinda does though. If Kratos' durability is at a certain level where Gab's hits wont be that damaging when the reverse is true for Kratos' attacks, then the match is sealed. Looking over it again it does look like after the powerup he would be able to harm Kratos so Im see what youre angle is, but his feats including that one are still a good deal below the things Kratos has faced.
A headbutts a headbutt. Maybe he needed the speed, maybe he didnt. Cant say for sure. But what we can confirm is that he can make the force to do such a feat. And theres a chance that that Titan would have survived under other circumstances, but this only means the weaker Titans can take these hits and still keep going. That would hinder your argument as the force that LoS cant produce cant even hurt a Titan.
You'd be surprised.
Originally posted by BloodRainHow is Poseidon much stronger than Gabriel ? When has gabriel ever dive bombed into anyone while climbing up a mountain wit that sheer level of force ? What durability feats of the titans show you despite gabriel's strength he can't hurt them.
^^; Nono that top line was from your post, I forgot to cut it from my post when typing.It does. Its two strong forces put together. Kratos is much stronger than Gab, Poseidon is much stronger than Gab and Zeus' bolts are more powerful than whats been shown in LoS.
But has he hurt anything as tough as Kratos before? If tearing a lava resisting guy a new one is the best he's got than it wont compare the the Kratos' white hide.
There was nothing to benefit Poseidon in that scene that he couldn't do under his own power. If the feat was from his strength than its from his strength. If it was due to the speed then it was from the speed that he made himself achieve.
It kinda does though. If Kratos' durability is at a certain level where Gab's hits wont be that damaging when the reverse is true for Kratos' attacks, then the match is sealed. Looking over it again it does look like after the powerup he would be able to harm Kratos so Im see what youre angle is, but his feats including that one are still a good deal below the things Kratos has faced.
A headbutts a headbutt. Maybe he needed the speed, maybe he didnt. Cant say for sure. But what we can confirm is that he can make the force to do such a feat. And theres a chance that that Titan would have survived under other circumstances, but this only means the weaker Titans can take these hits and still keep going. That would hinder your argument as the force that LoS cant produce cant even hurt a Titan.
I really wouldn't awesome
He didn't just hurt the guy he easily tore him in half despite showing previously how much it took to wound the Forgotten One in battle. That's the level of power gain at the end.
You're also leaving out it just broke the titan's grip on the mountain causing him to fall into Poseidon's source of power.
Then you know where I am coming from the powerup he gained was so significant it made every feat previously done by Gabriel to be at 1/5 the power he held at the end.
He obviously needed the speed to turn his body into a missile aimed at the Titan or else why do so. I always said the Titans would be overwhelmed by the lycans and other forces just overwhelming them.
For the aforementioned feat? If aquaman's headbutt does something that takes more strength to do then dracula's feats, he's stronger. Even though the Titan was knocked off it was still alive meaning that all that force was not enough to kill the titan. If a Titan can survive a hit that Gab can't muster, whatre the chances that his attacks will do much?
The increase isnt important, its what he can do with that power. And so far all he's done is split a tough guy apart. Good, but not enough for the top guys in the GoW verse.
That Titan was strong enough to rip out and throw a 60m tall piece of rock. Knocking back a giant rock titan who has that kind of strength in their hands is a great feat.
That figure was pulled out of no where and even so 5 times stronger than pulling a tree down isnt still small. He's shown to be stronger but not something that comes near the things GoW can take.
Perhaps, but he makes himself get to that speed meaning that strength feat is still his. Ly- what? Its barely arguable that Gabriel with his power up can harm Kratos and the Titans, how would the featless Lycans be able to to do anything? Scratch that. Theyre not featless, theyre weaker than Gabriel pre-power up. They'll be nothing more than mosquitoes to the Titans.
Originally posted by BloodRainI don't think so since the feat was only made possible because of the situation and the insane speed he was going at when he hit the titan.
For the aforementioned feat? If aquaman's headbutt does something that takes more strength to do then dracula's feats, he's stronger. Even though the Titan was knocked off it was still alive meaning that all that force was not enough to kill the titan. If a Titan can survive a hit that Gab can't muster, whatre the chances that his attacks will do much?The increase isnt important, its what he can do with that power. And so far all he's done is split a tough guy apart. Good, but not enough for the top guys in the GoW verse.
That Titan was strong enough to rip out and throw a 60m tall piece of rock. Knocking back a giant rock titan who has that kind of strength in their hands is a great feat.
That figure was pulled out of no where and even so 5 times stronger than pulling a tree down isnt still small. He's shown to be stronger but not something that comes near the things GoW can take.
Perhaps, but he makes himself get to that speed meaning that strength feat is still his. Ly- what? Its barely arguable that Gabriel with his power up can harm Kratos and the Titans, how would the featless Lycans be able to to do anything? Scratch that. Theyre not featless, theyre weaker than Gabriel pre-power up. They'll be nothing more than mosquitoes to the Titans.
Gabriel has to attack certain vulnerable spots but at the end of the game and the incredible speed/teleportation he possessed I don't think it's going to be hard for him to crush Titans.
He split someone very powerful in half easily without any effort showing how formidable he had become. Even Zeus wasn't capable of this against Kratos despite his abilities/power.
Yes, but due to speed not just strength.
Do you honestly think Gabriel can't cut through titan flesh given the chance ?
I think the lycans can pierce the titans skin and blind their eyes given the chance. The lycans overwhelmed the los titans who were much more durable than the lycans so there is a feat right there.
I don't think so since the feat was only made possible because of the situation and the insane speed he was going at when he hit the titan.Yes, but due to speed not just strength.
Self propelled speed, the equivalent of you tackling someone. Do you have anything to say that if Gab was moving at that speed he could headbutt a giant rock like that too? Because even if it was due to speed, the force created then is still that powerful and LoS would need to have similar strength and force in order to damage the titans to any noticeable degree.
Gabriel has to attack certain vulnerable spots but at the end of the game and the incredible speed/teleportation he possessed I don't think it's going to be hard for him to crush Titans.He split someone very powerful in half easily without any effort showing how formidable he had become. Even Zeus wasn't capable of this against Kratos despite his abilities/power.
Do you honestly think Gabriel can't cut through titan flesh given the chance ?
Teleportation may be useful, not so much his speed. But you're taking a decent feat and stretching it out into something its not. He split a guy with low-GoW level durability, that wont cut it in this verse.
I believe he can cut them. Its to what level thats the issue. Its hard enough for a normal person to cut through an elephant or a whale, you can increase this example to Gab's strength but the hide toughness will increase more to get to Titan levels. Skin toughness aside, how much damage could he pull off? And this leads back to the ant example. In his fight against the stone Titan he shows his superhuman strength to be a few 10folds above a normal man. Given his ant size here and that an ant can lift 10-50 times its weight(where a human is 1-2 times), pre-end Gabriel's size and strength to a Titan is exactly like a common ant biting us. EoS Gabriel is IYO about 5 times stronger. Now imagine getting bitten by an ant thats stronger than normal. It'd probably feel like a bee sting, a small pain with no lasting or major damage.
I think the lycans can pierce the titans skin and blind their eyes given the chance. The lycans overwhelmed the los titans who were much more durable than the lycans so there is a feat right there.
Originally posted by BloodRainI see no reason why Gabriel couldn't achieve the same result with similar speed in the same situation.
Self propelled speed, the equivalent of you tackling someone. Do you have anything to say that if Gab was moving at that speed he could headbutt a giant rock like that too? Because even if it was due to speed, the force created then is still that powerful and LoS would need to have similar strength and force in order to damage the titans to any noticeable degree.Teleportation may be useful, not so much his speed. But you're taking a decent feat and stretching it out into something its not. He split a guy with low-GoW level durability, that wont cut it in this verse.
I believe he can cut them. Its to what level thats the issue. Its hard enough for a normal person to cut through an elephant or a whale, you can increase this example to Gab's strength but the hide toughness will increase more to get to Titan levels. Skin toughness aside, how much damage could he pull off? And this leads back to the ant example. In his fight against the stone Titan he shows his superhuman strength to be a few 10folds above a normal man. Given his ant size here and that an ant can lift 10-50 times its weight(where a human is 1-2 times), pre-end Gabriel's size and strength to a Titan is exactly like a common ant biting us. EoS Gabriel is IYO about 5 times stronger. Now imagine getting bitten by an ant thats stronger than normal. It'd probably feel like a bee sting, a small pain with no lasting or major damage.
Now lycans, being weaker than Gabriel, will be an ant with a fraction of its strength. The Titans will hardly notice them. They'll need alot of assumptions and if's to break even; If their attacks are felt more than a weak ant bite, if enough of them are able to climb the titans, if they can make it to the eyes or other weak point and if they can do all this without the titan trying to defend itself then maybe they'll have a chance to bring one down. But the first if is already out, and the next two wont happen as the titan will be brushing them off, killing them.
He split the most powerful foe he's ever faced in two with ease once he took his powerup. I don't see this guy being lower end gow either. There are really no examples of Titans' skin being harder to cut by someone with Gabriel's strength even prior to his powerup so I hardly see the issue. Just like Kratos Gabriel would need to attack certain vulnerable parts to achieve maximum damage. Cutting his finger or hand would only irritate a Titan but his throat or from inside his stomach would leave him the Titan at gabriel's mercy.
The lycans will have to overwhelm and find weak points but they did it before to the los titans whose skin isn't skin at all so I'd say it's safe to assume you'd just need more of them to cover the larger gow titans.
Based on the evidence of...? Best strength feat Gab has is tossing 10 ton rocks. Thats far from smacking into a million ton rock titan.
Means nothing if all he's done is survive lava. An ant bite to the neck or nothing is still nothing. The only damage Krotos could do to Cronos with a blade is cut out from the gut and stab his head. Besides it being thanks to his monstrous strength it was mostly due to the BoO as evident as when he charges the blade and the explosive damage to the head. The two things he used to to major damage to him [his strength and the BoO] Gabriel lacks.
LoS Titans, <50m. Normal/smaller GoW Titans, 200m~. For a lil math, you'd need 100x the amount the Lycans needed to bring down these Titans. I dont know how many Lycans the verse has but Id bet that putting all those numbers to take down a single Titan would take a large chunk out of their numbers. Not to mention that many would die trying to find a weak point from the attacking Titan and the fall/being crushed even if they manage to take one down. Either thousands of Lycans die trying to take one down or the Titan dies and takes out so many Lycans leaving very little left to take down the other 6 titans of this size and the 3 larger ones.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't assume he can since his size is much smaller and we haven't seen him do so. It's common sense if you're much larger you can leap much farther.Weight has a lot to do with it unless you have no common sense whatsoever. Kratos and gabriel can't trade blows with characters that dwarf them but do have the necessary strength to hurt them when afforded the opportunity.
1.Gabriel is that strong since he's damaged beings far stronger than himself and destroyed substances far more durable than flesh. What does Bowser have to do with anything ?
Far less has hurt the Titans than the blade of olympus. When has their skin rejected any attack up close ?
You argue too much on size, yes size is a factor but GoW also proves much smaller characters have the power to dominate larger ones or perform amazing feats of power on a large scale.
Well Kratos does, Gabriel does not.
1. I meant Ganon, but no hes damaged beings stronger than him but not necesserily durable.
Prove this claim, whats "far less"? Very little in the games damage the titans.