Gabriel Belmont vs. Kratos

Started by unrealman19 pages

this is how Garibel matches up to Kartos, who is of course far stronger then Garibel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJp4T9XJ_Ck#t=0m51s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJp4T9XJ_Ck#t=3m01s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC-EosHPcT0#t=09m02s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE-GAJ__uj4#t=07m55s

DLC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cjwhko2BLc#t=08m16s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cjwhko2BLc#t=12m50s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cjwhko2BLc#t=15m10s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YstYyIeHKI#t=03m58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YstYyIeHKI#t=07m01s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YstYyIeHKI#t=11m27s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YstYyIeHKI#t=14m53s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YstYyIeHKI#t=16m48s

The thing with Gabriel is, is that his opponents are vastly weaker. Smashing small piecies of armour off someone is not the same as damage someone who can survive thousands of tonnes, tens of thousands of pressure. Sure Gabriel can defeat Satan, get stuck through his chest and launch around people a few meters or so, but Kratos works on a far far larger scale.

I have just completed the Satan fight again (wanted to do the final trial) and the feats are minor, after finishing it I have started playing GoW 3 again and I have just killed Hermes for his boots, Kratos has already shown feats that far outweight Satan, the Forgotten one and Gabriel put together, anything from besting Poseidons creatures to throwing around

basic things like Kratos having difficulty to open boxes, doors and such are simple gameplay mechanics, the only ones you could possibly argue for would be the log in the beginning of the game (the log being unique to a box or gate) and perhaps Gaias hand but that is still far more impressive than what Gabriel is capable of and is less consistent with Kratos' large list of stronger feats. I will probably kill Chronos, if not complete the game before the day is done and have other things to point out.

Its already obvious to anyone who looks at the evidence Kratos is far far stronger and more durable tha anything Gabriel has countered, a hundred times over.

of course Kartos beats Gabriel easly, Rick from Splatterhouse 2010 would proabely be a better match up. at lest Gabriel might have a chance at beating Rick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMJF5T2TDYU#t=8m14s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWfTQTpc4lU#t=2m10s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC2Kc87sV88#t=4m58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ3KtS5E4X4#t=2m58s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0_iZzgQjiw#t=11m10s

note: the only think Zoberk ever did was killed Gabriel , and being immortal. Zoberk was burn to death, and yet in the Epilouge which happens far into the future he's still around. however even through he's immortal Zoberk isn't really durable , and Kartos can just kill him again and again.

note 2: just because somebody is immortal doesn't necreassry mean their invulnerable as well.

Originally posted by Burning thought
😆 I cant belive you think a child just with skill can beat Kratos. With what? a combat cross with no feats to its name?

I just showed you the video if him doing so. When? We see God Kratos for a small duration at the start of GoW 2 and all he does is smash some buildings, he does far far more when depowered tbh.

I think this is where your lack of understanding becomes clear, you seem to think swords always cut objects regardless of their density. A sword simply gives someone a smaller edge to exert pressure on, but when the comparison of strength is so vast, e.g. A Titans slap vs a knife edge the pressure from a knife is irrelevent unless said Titan was also using a sword. Gabriel has to harm Titans by striking the glass/organic lookng power joins on ther limbs, he did not slice through their stone bodies. You can point out the same with every one of Gabriels enemies worth taking note of.

It makes perfect sense to suggest a super durable object cannot take weak forces, the combat cross killing vampires and monsters does not give it the feats to>>>a Titan slap.

Only the canon counts, cutscenes are the main source of canon but gameplay mechanics are not a source. Where are you getting this 98% from? hes never been hurt by anyone other than Gods with godly weapons.

I have just proven it, you cannot disregard Chronos slapping Kratos. 😆 It does not happen in GoW because theres nobody there strong enough to break him, including a Titan, arguably the strongest being thats laid a hand to Kratos could not even damage him....

The strongest being in GoW>>>the strongest in LoS by a long shot which means Kratos cannot be harmed by Gabriel who has yet to show any ability to damage Kratos in this thread.

And is still featless.

If you played the game you'd know the combat cross has many feats to it's name. We see Gabriel not only defeat his foes with the combat cross but use skill and his own strength to kill some of his enemies with their own weapons. Not a child but someone with exceptional skill and strength enough to kill you. Despite you being far stronger than a 5 year old girl if she can move like Gabriel you'll have your throat slashes from across the room.

Yes, he does far more since we see more of him depowered. We see god Kratos kill Ares and take on an army himself whereas in the game he can't easily just stomp armies he takes on small forces after small forces and in the third has help from Gaia at the beginning along with the other Titans.

That's just one feat and you ignoring all the other times Kratos is stabbed. The guy was stabbed to death by the way and at no point does he ever laugh off a sword strike. You're trying to make sense of fantasy feats and act like everything logically fits together into a puzzle of logic. Not the case. Kratos can be stabbed in the game at practically every turn and just because he doesn't allow this to happen doesn't suddenly mean he's impervious. You don't have a single cutscene to where he laughs off sword strikes and it's literally illogical to assume he is based off of him resisting Cronos.

Same with Kratos and the giant beings as well. he can't even hurt giant ares and against Cronos he has to hit certain points. Both characters can't take them on directly but have to be precise and attack where they are vulnerable. Common sense.

Kratos has never been shown to be impervious to weapons and throughout the game he can be cut by random scrubs. He is portrayed as being strong enough and skilled enough to get through them but isn't invulnerable to their attacks. You are making false comparisons and don't have one example that backs up your claim.

Throughout the games. You don't ignore how he is portrayed and turn him into some super invulnerable guy without any cutscenes of him resisting sword attacks while at the same time ignoring the times he's been stabbed to death.

Cronos can kill Kratos he just didn't. What's so hard to understand about this ? Honestly ? Your whole argument and level of thinking basically says if it doesn't happen then it can't happen which is silly.

You don't have to be stronger than cronos to be able to hurt Kratos. Zeus can hurt him as can any other god. Just because Kratos wins and isn't near death in most of the cut scenes where he wins doesn't mean he can't be hurt or killed just that he doesn't.

Gabriel can rip him in half and easily if he wants to.

Originally posted by unrealman
I like to add this Garbiel did not fight a full power Satan, as it is note in the Lords of Shadow Bestiary. that Satan power is limited when he's on earth. pretty much the Satan that Garibel beats,is a weaken Satan, that is only operating at a fraction of his actually power.
Gabriel was also not at full power either and satan was powerful enough to easily best Zobek who was lord of death despite having the god mask.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gabriel was also not at full power either and satan was powerful enough to easily best Zobek who was lord of death despite having the god mask.
Zobek has no feats(other than killing Gabriel by using the gauntlet against him, and even in this he said he need Gabriel to have the gauntlet so that he can control him)and none of the God Masks compare to the power of the Blade of Olympus(again based on feats).

Originally posted by Phanteros
Zobek has no feats(other than killing Gabriel by using the gauntlet against him, and even in this he said he need Gabriel to have the gauntlet so that he can control him)and none of the God Masks compare to the power of the Blade of Olympus(again based on feats).
Implied power it was more powerful than the zeus blade. We see zeus use it once against the titans to eliminate him but Kratos use it and still have to beat the opponent in combat.

He still used magic against Gabriel and was the most powerful Lord as well. Gabriel is greater than any of these guys though and at the end of the content he's simply beyond them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Implied power it was more powerful than the zeus blade. We see zeus use it once against the titans to eliminate him but Kratos use it and still have to beat the opponent in combat.

He still used magic against Gabriel and was the most powerful Lord as well. Gabriel is greater than any of these guys though and at the end of the content he's simply beyond them.

Being the most powerful isn't saying much when the others have little to no feats.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Being the most powerful isn't saying much when the others have little to no feats.
I doubt he would have either but Gabriel like Kratos overcomes those who get in his way sooner or later.

We see and it's outright stated Cornell is the strongest of the lords of shadow and with his impressive size and lycan body it's obvious the guy is extremely strong. Now with the female vampire lord of shadow she survived being impaled on the top of a castle so these beings aren't pushovers but badasses in their own rights.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I doubt he would have either but Gabriel like Kratos overcomes those who get in his way sooner or later.

We see and it's outright stated Cornell is the strongest of the lords of shadow and with his impressive size and lycan body it's obvious the guy is extremely strong. Now with the female vampire lord of shadow she survived being impaled on the top of a castle so these beings aren't pushovers but badasses in their own rights.

Other than his size and muscle mass, Thats the the only thing Cornells has other than destroying boulders which isn't impressive compared to Kratos. Zeus was stabbed 5 times by his own blade and quickly recovered.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Other than his size and muscle mass, Thats the the only thing Cornells has other than destroying boulders which isn't impressive compared to Kratos. Zeus was stabbed 5 times by his own blade and quickly recovered.
Zeus did recover but in the end he was beaten to death by Kratos' fists so if you attack Zeus enough just like any of these foes they die.

Cornell would be capable of killing Kratos provided he had the chance but with this strength he'd tear Kratos' body apart especially if he just stood there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zeus did recover but in the end he was beaten to death by Kratos' fists so if you attack Zeus enough just like any of these foes they die.

Cornell would be capable of killing Kratos provided he had the chance but with this strength he'd tear Kratos' body apart especially if he just stood there.

You do realize that Kratos stopped to two mountain sized titans from crushing him in full force right? Cornell's only only feats are boulder smashing some thing Kratos can do very easily.

Originally posted by Phanteros
You do realize that Kratos stopped to two mountain sized titans from crushing him in full force right? Cornell's only only feats are boulder smashing some thing Kratos can do very easily.
Yes, I do realize Kratos has the strength to temporarily resist tremendous force but if someone like Cornell hits him with his hammer or attacks him with his claws as a lycan Kratos will definitely feel it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I do realize Kratos has the strength to temporarily resist tremendous force but if someone like Cornell hits him with his hammer or attacks him with his claws as a lycan Kratos will definitely feel it.
based on what? Most of Krato's Normal enemies can destroy boulders as well and deals with them pretty well.

Originally posted by Phanteros
based on what? Most of Krato's Normal enemies can destroy boulders as well and deals with them pretty well.
Yes, he deals with them but isn't immune to their attacks. That's the difference that most posters here miss Kratos is skilled and strong enough to win but he's not impervious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you played the game you'd know the combat cross has many feats to it's name. We see Gabriel not only defeat his foes with the combat cross but use skill and his own strength to kill some of his enemies with their own weapons. Not a child but someone with exceptional skill and strength enough to kill you. Despite you being far stronger than a 5 year old girl if she can move like Gabriel you'll have your throat slashes from across the room.

Yes, he does far more since we see more of him depowered. We see god Kratos kill Ares and take on an army himself whereas in the game he can't easily just stomp armies he takes on small forces after small forces and in the third has help from Gaia at the beginning along with the other Titans.

That's just one feat and you ignoring all the other times Kratos is stabbed. The guy was stabbed to death by the way and at no point does he ever laugh off a sword strike. You're trying to make sense of fantasy feats and act like everything logically fits together into a puzzle of logic. Not the case. Kratos can be stabbed in the game at practically every turn and just because he doesn't allow this to happen doesn't suddenly mean he's impervious. You don't have a single cutscene to where he laughs off sword strikes and it's literally illogical to assume he is based off of him resisting Cronos.

Same with Kratos and the giant beings as well. he can't even hurt giant ares and against Cronos he has to hit certain points. Both characters can't take them on directly but have to be precise and attack where they are vulnerable. Common sense.

Kratos has never been shown to be impervious to weapons and throughout the game he can be cut by random scrubs. He is portrayed as being strong enough and skilled enough to get through them but isn't invulnerable to their attacks. You are making false comparisons and don't have one example that backs up your claim.

Throughout the games. You don't ignore how he is portrayed and turn him into some super invulnerable guy without any cutscenes of him resisting sword attacks while at the same time ignoring the times he's been stabbed to death.

Cronos can kill Kratos he just didn't. What's so hard to understand about this ? Honestly ? Your whole argument and level of thinking basically says if it doesn't happen then it can't happen which is silly.

You don't have to be stronger than cronos to be able to hurt Kratos. Zeus can hurt him as can any other god. Just because Kratos wins and isn't near death in most of the cut scenes where he wins doesn't mean he can't be hurt or killed just that he doesn't.

Gabriel can rip him in half and easily if he wants to.

I have played the game, I have seen the combat cross cut into foes without any durability feats to their name, creatures like the lords of shadow themselves get impaled easily but theres nothing there to suggest their skin is much stronger than the light flesh it appears to be. If the little girl gets Gabriels skill i get Kratos' durability and simply take the blow without harm.

Not really God Kratos, Pandora kratos and thats not impressive, we have seen depowered mortal Kratos destroy half the Olmypion Gods and a Titan.

Show me the "all the other times", if your talking about gameplay I can play through most of it without getting hit, if not all of it, that does not make it canon. How about him resisting all the other Gods? Hades who can manipulate Atlas, he manhandles him, hercules who can lift tonnes, even Zues, Poseidons creatures? its not just Chronos, its almost every boss he comes against, even Hephaustus who is damn large uses a burning hot hammer and smashes him with it, what does Kratos do? just grabs it....

You sort of miss the point, Kratos cannot be defeated by striking his "weak points", because he has no designated areas yet he has the durability of the Gods. Gabriel has no chance based on the above facts.

No he cannot, because hes never cut by random scrubs, again your using gameplay mechanics, read the forum rules their null and void.

Show me, Kratos being stabbed to death, you have no idea of what your talking about ,a sword is just a smaller edge for psi, its not an instant "cut" card otherwise according to you marvel Thanos can also be cut by swords as well then? we cannot use his feats apprently?

😆 , right because Gabriel has greater strength than Chronos.....

If you dont post evidence in your next post I will accept that you dont know what your talking about and your continueing through ignorence of the source texts. So far the evidence is all on my side of the argument, from videos of Kratos' strength and durability to even videos provided by others that Gabriel at best knocks piecies of armour off and gets manhandled by creatures far weaker than Kratos.

Unless Gabriel can dish out more force than the level of a volcanic explosion, there isn't much argument to support that he can even faze Kratos. Even when he let his brother bash his face in, he recovered in a few seconds.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I have played the game, I have seen the combat cross cut into foes without any durability feats to their name, creatures like the lords of shadow themselves get impaled easily but theres nothing there to suggest their skin is much stronger than the light flesh it appears to be. If the little girl gets Gabriels skill i get Kratos' durability and simply take the blow without harm.

Not really God Kratos, Pandora kratos and thats not impressive, we have seen depowered mortal Kratos destroy half the Olmypion Gods and a Titan.

Show me the "all the other times", if your talking about gameplay I can play through most of it without getting hit, if not all of it, that does not make it canon. How about him resisting all the other Gods? Hades who can manipulate Atlas, he manhandles him, hercules who can lift tonnes, even Zues, Poseidons creatures? its not just Chronos, its almost every boss he comes against, even Hephaustus who is damn large uses a burning hot hammer and smashes him with it, what does Kratos do? just grabs it....

You sort of miss the point, Kratos cannot be defeated by striking his "weak points", because he has no designated areas yet he has the durability of the Gods. Gabriel has no chance based on the above facts.

No he cannot, because hes never cut by random scrubs, again your using gameplay mechanics, read the forum rules their null and void.

[b]Show me, Kratos being stabbed to death, you have no idea of what your talking about ,a sword is just a smaller edge for psi, its not an instant "cut" card otherwise according to you marvel Thanos can also be cut by swords as well then? we cannot use his feats apprently?

😆 , right because Gabriel has greater strength than Chronos.....

If you dont post evidence in your next post I will accept that you dont know what your talking about and your continueing through ignorence of the source texts. So far the evidence is all on my side of the argument, from videos of Kratos' strength and durability to even videos provided by others that Gabriel at best knocks piecies of armour off and gets manhandled by creatures far weaker than Kratos. [/B]

The characters in gow don't display huge durability feats either. They have flesh just the same and the Forgotten one doesn't have soft flesh his skin is like armor as is Pan. The Forgotten One also laughs off lava which does no damage to his sin whatsoever which normal skin would be completely destroyed so once again you're wrong. The cross would rip Kratos wide open just like zeus' blade given the chance.

Pandora Kratos was god Kratos. His power seemed the same his title changed. His sheer size makes him more formidable than at regular levels. To suggest god powered Kratos is less than regular Kratos is a serious stab in the face of logic.

Skill level doesn't cover up what happens if he does get hit. If someone doesn't ge hit that doesn't prove they are invulnerable if they do get it. What planet are you on ?

Kratos beats Hades but Hades can hurt and kill him given the chance. Your argument is terrible. Just because Kratos beats him this doesn't prove hades can't hurt him. This is one of the worst arguments I have ever heard.

Yes, Kratos is strong enough and can resist a lot but in all these instances he can get hurt and even killed he just doesn't. In all cases he does get hurt when attacked it's just not enough to defeat him but he's not invulnerable to any of it.

Gabriel can easily rip his body in half with little to no effort based off of his newer powers at the end of the resurrection. Even with his combat cross he can carve Kratos up since well we have no feats where blades break against Kratos' skin just morbid abc logic.

He's never resisted any blade or badass and Gabriel isn't a random scrub and his combat cross has feats against characters immune to lava because of their durability. Gabriel can hurt this character thus he can hurt Kratos who hasn't shown a resistance to sharp weapons in any cut scene.

Thanos can resist planet destroying power yet be cut by Wolverine. Planet destroying power>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cronos yet his skin has been cut by Wolverine. Only someone like you would argue he can't be cut in a fictional setting when he's been cut just like Kratos has and unlike Thanos shown no resistance to sharp objects.

Gabriel doesn't need greater strength than Cronos. Zeus doesn't yet he killed Kratos.

You don't have points or any evidence Kratos can resist a sharp object since he's canonically been cut everytime someone's cut him in a cutscene or in the game.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The characters in gow don't display huge durability feats either. They have flesh just the same and the Forgotten one doesn't have soft flesh his skin is like armor as is Pan. The Forgotten One also laughs off lava which does no damage to his sin whatsoever which normal skin would be completely destroyed so once again you're wrong. The cross would rip Kratos wide open just like zeus' blade given the chance.

Pandora Kratos was god Kratos. His power seemed the same his title changed. His sheer size makes him more formidable than at regular levels. To suggest god powered Kratos is less than regular Kratos is a serious stab in the face of logic.

Skill level doesn't cover up what happens if he does get hit. If someone doesn't ge hit that doesn't prove they are invulnerable if they do get it. What planet are you on ?

Kratos beats Hades but Hades can hurt and kill him given the chance. Your argument is terrible. Just because Kratos beats him this doesn't prove hades can't hurt him. This is one of the worst arguments I have ever heard.

Yes, Kratos is strong enough and can resist a lot but in all these instances he can get hurt and even killed he just doesn't. In all cases he does get hurt when attacked it's just not enough to defeat him but he's not invulnerable to any of it.

Gabriel can easily rip his body in half with little to no effort based off of his newer powers at the end of the resurrection. Even with his combat cross he can carve Kratos up since well we have no feats where blades break against Kratos' skin just morbid abc logic.

He's never resisted any blade or badass and Gabriel isn't a random scrub and his combat cross has feats against characters immune to lava because of their durability. Gabriel can hurt this character thus he can hurt Kratos who hasn't shown a resistance to sharp weapons in any cut scene.

Thanos can resist planet destroying power yet be cut by Wolverine. Planet destroying power>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cronos yet his skin has been cut by Wolverine. Only someone like you would argue he can't be cut in a fictional setting when he's been cut just like Kratos has and unlike Thanos shown no resistance to sharp objects.

Gabriel doesn't need greater strength than Cronos. Zeus doesn't yet he killed Kratos.

You don't have points or any evidence Kratos can resist a sharp object since he's canonically been cut everytime someone's cut him in a cutscene or in the game.

You have played the games right? the game where we see Titans the size of skyscrapers who by sheer weight take more force than anyone in LoS, the one where Kratos falls miles down the chain of balance and simply lands on his feet in the underworld, the one where Titans fall miles down the mountain (despite their huge weight) and just climb back up again like Gaia, the one where....well, I have the evidence already. Your only counter is that being resistant to heat, e.g. lava>>>all that? 😆 its not even a durability feat. based on what? Kratos has taken far more force than Gabriel can use, the blade of Olmypus in the hands of zeus compared to a combat cross now? 🙄

Not really, no, different powers and forces at work, he was not yet an Olmypian. Your playing on the fact he was just large...not when you realise Kratos has demolished foes that are Gods and Titans both by sheer strength and with the powers at his disposal, your throwing around titles and ignoring feats.

No, the fact he can take slams from Gods and Titans proves he is invulerable to what Gabriel has to offer. You missed the point other than that.

Show me, the best hades could possibly do was take his soul, even that was disproven when Kratos sort of pulled it back through some strength.

Well thats comic book logic by the sounds of it which is what your argueing from, this is not a CB its a game vs, you dont understand how blades work and the rest of your post proves this, keep bringing up "blades have not broke non him". You dont understand what blades do, or how pressure is calculated the same in all instances, its only surface area and strength that changes and in this case, Kratos has such a vast strength put on him, the surface area is more or less irrelevent.

Arguable because Zeus can stand blow for blow against Kratos suggesting that their close to the same level. Your also forgetting Zeus used the blade of Olmypus, a blade powerful enough to completly murder Titans and whole armies when used.

Go look up sharp objects and you may find out how their just a surface area to force, not a magical "certain to stab" option.

Mt. Olympus seems to be at least 12 miles or so tall.

I'm trying to figure out how durable Gaia must be in order to be able to fall from around halfway up that distance, through the cracks in the earth down into tartarus (which would be another couple of miles) with no damage to herself. We saw her severed hand in tartarus and it was completely undamaged.

And we know if you dropped a 1600 foot tall + boulder (that's how tall the titans are) from the same height that boulder would break apart upon hitting the ground.