^ I'm totally being serial! crackers
Originally posted by leonidasTotally. 👆
😆well, least something positive came out of this love-fest.
Only one comic featuring Dr. Doom came out this past week but somehow, through the magic of KMC forum logic, he's got a couple dozen of his best armor durability feats ever! nvm that his forcefield feats are proportionately reduced and Doom is 100x more stupid
I like natural durability feats. It makes Doom look really good in one or two fights. It's a trade off I'm willing to accept. and if people point out that Doom's really dumb, I'll just backhandedly suggest he'd still use forcefields all the time, whatever
Win.
Originally posted by Naija boyI was just attempting to cut right to the core of this farce.
lol at the skillfull strawmanning to hide faulty logic. though Im not surprised
When Doom got hit by Mags/Stark/Simon, did he probably have his forcefields on? Yea, no logical reason he would leave them off. A lot of artists just don't draw them, after all. When Thanos fought Odin and Tyrant, did he probably have his forcefields on? Yea, no logical reason he would leave them off. A lot of artists just don't draw them, after all.
Is that such a controversial result that offends all logic? No, because a lot of artists just don't draw them, after all. Is there really any particular reason to argue otherwise? No. Only if you want Doom/Thanos to have a nice natural durability feat, so's you can argue that he wasn't trying his best at the time and surreptitiously aggrandize the character (nvm that you're insisting on behavior that makes him kind of an idiot).
Sorry, it's what I think. Needless, self-serving, nonsensical. Agree to disagree. Because I obviously can't convince you that Thanos is smart enough that he wouldn't forget such an obvious thing. And you obviously can't convince me that Thanos is dumb enough that he would forget.
In the end, who's hating on Thanos, really?
^Absolute nonsense. You shamlessly move from strawman to strawman (all of which i have pointed out)in a shallow attempt to gather support for your nonsensical circular reasoning.
You attempt to project the logic of forum battle tactics onto characters is pitiful when it is clear comicbook fact that characters simply do fight stupidly in comparison to how they should fight given their powersets . Does this then mean that the character is a dumb character? perhaps, but no dumber than any other comic book character who fails to use his powers efficiently at any point in time. Your pretense that comic book characters are some supercompetent tacticians is laughable and quite frankly dissapointing.
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Originally posted by Naija boyShameful. So now that you see the forcefield from the beginning, guess you conclude that Odin broke through before Gungnir swung out.
^Absolute nonsense. You shamlessly move from strawman to strawman (all of which i have pointed out)in a shallow attempt to gather support for your nonsensical circular reasoning.
Guess Odin dominated Thanos far more than Tyrant since we don't ever see him using forcefields ever against Tyrant. Yeah. Let me feed the Thor/Odin fanboys this delicious serving of your logic and have you experience what it's like to deal with such nonsense.
Originally posted by Naija boyDo you seriously need supercompetency to turn on forcefields when you're getting your butt kicked? And once again, you're taking me to task for expecting and assuming basic competency on-panel, yet somehow you're still equivocating over "characters fighting to the best of their abilities" clause in a hypothetical fight. How completely not hypocritical.
You attempt to project the logic of forum battle tactics onto characters is pitiful when it is clear comicbook fact that characters simply do fight stupidly in comparison to how they should fight given their powersets . Does this then mean that the character is a dumb character? perhaps, but no dumber than any other comic book character who fails to use his powers efficiently at any point in time. Your pretense that comic book characters are some supercompetent tacticians is laughable and quite frankly dissapointing.facepalm
The only thing I'm expecting and assuming is that they're not completely retarded simply for the sake of a dubious feat when we have the perfectly plausible explanation that the invisible forcefields simply arent being rendered explicitly.
There's nothing inherently offensive or controversial about the forcefield simply not being drawn! It happens ALL THE TIME. What does that result cost you, personally? Nothing. Just a chance to trumpet up Thanos' durability while unintentionally rendering him a complete idiot.
Color me skeptical.
Originally posted by WodensonYou need to prove this was a deception since Odin prepared to fight against the far superior celestials. Logically you don't have a leg to stand on because your logic says if someone lies then they never tell the truth.
If the Eye of Odin has told Thor some 140 comic pages worth of lies or partial truths (at best), what are the chances that the select few pages featuring the Celestials can be taken at face value? Especially when there are lies/inaccuracies immediately preceding and following those pages?It's unfortunate that the false god-cycle and Ring of Nibelungs stories (THOR #293-300) became intertwined with the Celestials.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Thanos wasn't fighting like an idiot nor did Odin treat him like one. His comments say the exact opposite unless you think Odin respects idiots and ragdolls in combat. Thanos wasn't in danger of dying hence no shield and no surrender. You have misinterpreted the entire scene and ignored dialogue with the artist's clear depiction of no shields.
Nah. By looking at all the times Doom's forcefields haven't been portrayed clearly. He's actually got a sh1t ton of feats that could be armor feats. ANd since I can't definitively prove his forcefields on (maybe he's just being an idiot or cocky about it). Guess his armor's far more uber than you think. Further reverse-justifying Doom's Galactus feat. Totally not self-serving conceit at all.Sorry. If my arguments were a result of bias, I would have posted a sh1t ton more Doom armor feats in my respect thread based on this "if it can't be clearly proven he's using them, then he must not be!" standard. I dont' debase myself with such idiotic standards though. And I am, if anything, a Doom fanboy.
You mad? That all of a sudden Thanos fights like an idiot because he so rarely uses his forcefields even while getting tossed like a ragdoll??? That's your logic, dude. Force fields have to be clearly shown. When they are, the artists/writers go through painstaking detail to point it out, I guess. They're off almost all the time. So be it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to prove this was a deception since Odin prepared to fight against the far superior celestials.
I don't have to prove that everything was a deception, I just have to prove that the Eye was being deceptive. Odin did prepare for the Celestials, but the veracity of the Eye's account of history is dubious at best.
Logically you don't have a leg to stand on because your logic says if someone lies then they never tell the truth.
If someone lies to you 9 out of 10 times, would you be inclined to believe them?
I'm done with the Thanos/force field part of this debate. It's plain for anyone to see, if they take off their blinders.
Originally posted by WodensonNo, it isn't dubious to prove something is incorrect you need to prove that not simply show the eye has been deceptive before.
I don't have to prove that everything was a deception, I just have to prove that the Eye was being deceptive. Odin did prepare for the Celestials, but the veracity of the Eye's account of history is dubious at best.If someone lies to you 9 out of 10 times, would you be inclined to believe them?
I'm done with the Thanos/force field part of this debate. It's plain for anyone to see, if they take off their blinders.
There's no reason to believe that everything that comes out of their mouth is a lie unless you have proof but the story seems to make sense with it going down the same way as we saw it unless you think the writer purposely mislead us with those details.
Yes, in the same arc shields are destroyed and visibly so as is forceblock but never has Thanos ever used a shield that hasn't been mentioned or drawn.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There's no reason to believe that everything that comes out of their mouth is a lie unless you have proof but the story seems to make sense with it going down the same way as we saw it unless you think the writer purposely mislead us with those details.
The writer wasn't intending to mislead us. However, the Eye was essentially called a liar by Buri, and succeeding events are incompatible with the 'history' the Eye was pumping into Thor's brain. The entire story the Eye told was based on a falsehood (that the Asgardians were born approximately 2000 years ago).
Yes, in the same arc shields are destroyed and visibly so as is forceblock but never has Thanos ever used a shield that hasn't been mentioned or drawn.
I think you should believe what you want. It is clear you are psychologically invested in Thanos not using shields against Odin.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0you are correct that artitistic depictions vary and I suppose that is a possibilty in the thanos case, but I remain skeptical about it being the case in that particular instance. in those two doom examples a purple glow still appears whenever he is stricken and in one there is clear mention of the shield in the text while in the other the purple glow is a full aura surrounding him. the thanos one lacks textual reference and does an incredibly poor and ambiguous job out of visually displaying a shield - it is so bad that most posters here had never even cogited that possibilty until now - which makes me think that is just a case of some bad art that allows ambiguous interpretation. furthermore, it is plausible for thanos to tank that initial one-handed, half-assed blast given his history durability of feats, but less so for doom to survive those strikes by sentry and the others. all things considered, I still believe there was no shield there.
When they're drawn by certain artists. Ron Lim and Jim Starlin draw his shields, but Angel Medina draws shields infrequently (if ever). In fact, I'd wager he never draws forcefields.It's the same difference between Mark Bagley drawing Doom's shields when he gets bumrushed by Sentry and Jim Cheung not drawing Doom's shields when he gets attacked by Magneto, Iron Man and Wonder Man:
You know they're there, because they have to be. But you don't see it really.
EDIT: Mark Bagley was a bad example, he didn't even draw Doom's shields ever.
Erik Larsen did though.
I think that thanos is inconsistant in his force-field use (resorting to them on 50 or 60% of his appearences, I'd guess ) which is indeed idiotic and imprudent, and I agree agree with the point that this should be factored into his CIS whenever arguing about him on the forums, but portraying charatcers as more competent than they might be on average is pretty much inevitable here. just look at magneto's force-field use in the comics and the way he is portrayed by posters here (myself included): his use of force-fields is one of the most frequent applications of his power, but at the same time, he gets caught without it midbattle and tagged because of it all the time. should this be factored into his CIS to say that he only resorts to the full defensive potential his powers allow in a percentage of his fights? sure. but do people always assume he will encase himself in them while fighting? yes.
^ The Sentry one is shields. But with the other, if I wanted to take the nonsensical route, I could argue that the purple glow has to do with Magneto's power, Iron Man's repulsors and Simon's punch blending together in a flash of color. Doom's survived worse with just his armor. It's not like he doesn't have armor durability feats. So I fail to see how comparisons have anything to do with it. Yeah, it's believable they can tank it. It's also nearly unbelievable that they'd be dumb enough to leave their force fields off in pitched battle.
You guess wrong. Magneto uses his forcefields all of the time. And I see him get tagged by non-magnetic objects 10% of the time. And I see him get tagged 5% of the time when his forcefield is explicitly diverted or bypassed. Apparently, Thanos uses his as often as Loki does. Which is seldom. People aren't running around assuming Loki fights with his forcefields on all the time.
Let's face it. This argument's about one character and one character only as it has been from the very start.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0you could, sure.... but it is not nonsensical to think thanos had no shields on in that fight, it is a perfectly plausible and simpler conclusion
^ The Sentry one is shields. But with the other, if I wanted to take the nonsensical route, I could argue that the purple glow has to do with Magneto's power, Iron Man's repulsors and Simon's punch blending together in a flash of color. Doom's survived worse with just his armor. It's not like he doesn't have armor durability feats. So I fail to see how comparisons have anything to do with it. Yeah, it's believable they can tank it. It's also nearly unbelievable that they'd be dumb enough to leave their force fields off in pitched battle.You guess wrong. Magneto uses his forcefields all of the time. And I see him get tagged by non-magnetic objects 10% of the time. And I see him get tagged 5% of the time when his forcefield is explicitly diverted or bypassed. Apparently, Thanos uses his as often as Loki does. Which is seldom. People aren't running around assuming Loki fights with his forcefields on all the time.
Let's face it. This argument's about one character and one character only as it has been from the very start.
your figures are off, even in the fights mags uses shielding, he often does not sustain them constantly arround himself, forming and dropping them multiple times and frequently covering only one direction, and he gets tagged a whole lot.
^ It's plausible and simple, so long as you think Thanos is an idiot who forgets to turn on his forcefields. Let's illustrate by peering into a parallel universe where Sif never stops the fight and observe Thanos' thoughts:
Thanos: "Crap... Odin's tough. Better call Drax and Surfer over here."
Thanos: "Crappity crap. They're down and I ain't doin crap. Time to use that plot device force block now!"
Thanos: "Crappity crap on a stick. That didn't work. And I just got launched and am struggling to stand and he's not even winded! What do I do now cause Sif is standing back and nobody ain't stopping this fight and I'm out of options --
. . . . . . DAMMIT! I totally forgot to turn my shields on! I can be such a silly phucktard sometimes! Alright, shields on, time for Round 2. SPOOOOOOONNNNN!!!!!!11"
I get it now. Thanos can be a silly phucktard sometimes.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's plausible and simple, so long as you think Thanos is an idiot who forgets to turn on his forcefields. Let's illustrate by peering into a parallel universe where Sif never stops the fight and observe Thanos' thoughts:Thanos: "Crap... Odin's tough. Better call Drax and Surfer over here."
Thanos: "Crappity crap. They're down and I ain't doin crap. Time to use that plot device force block now!"
Thanos: "Crappity crap on a stick. That didn't work. And I just got launched and am struggling to stand and he's not even winded! What do I do now cause Sif is standing back and nobody ain't stopping this fight and I'm out of options --
. . . . . . DAMMIT! I totally forgot to turn my shields on! I can be such a silly phucktard sometimes! Alright, shields on, time for Round 2. SPOOOOOOONNNNN!!!!!!11"
I get it now. Thanos can be a silly phucktard sometimes.
That sounds more like the way darkseid talks whenever superman shows up.
Originally posted by WodensonThen like I assumed a writer later changed some of it not all of it. Until that portion is described as a lie it stands true because it makes no sense and that scene hasn't been retconned.
The writer wasn't intending to mislead us. However, the Eye was essentially called a liar by Buri, and succeeding events are incompatible with the 'history' the Eye was pumping into Thor's brain. The entire story the Eye told was based on a falsehood (that the Asgardians were born approximately 2000 years ago).I think you should believe what you want. It is clear you are psychologically invested in Thanos not using shields against Odin.
If Thanos used a shield I'd admit it I go by what I see and by what the dialogue tells me.
