Originally posted by WodensonThat isn't the point if you are claiming this has been retconned prove it. If you can' tyou must concede.
That wasn't my question. Just admit that a lot of the information posed by Odin's Eye was inaccurate/false.Through cloning and genetic, not through his own power. He couldn't create a weapon like Mjolnir, or bestow Herald level powers. That's the level Odin is at.
Thanos uses tech so yes it's under his own power. Thanos created a weapon that temporarily defeated a power gem Thor and clones ranging from Gladiator to Galactus. He also creates clones so yes his power is more impressive than Odin in that area as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't the point if you are claiming this has been retconned prove it. If you can' tyou must concede.
The Eye of Odin was being deceitful throughout his story. I never claimed that all of his story was inaccurate, only that what was shown should be taken with a grain of salt (since it's a matter of record that the Eye was lying).
He also creates clones so yes his power is more impressive than Odin in that area as well.
Thanos cannot use a portion of his own internal energy to empower a being to Thor or Herald level. Odin can.
Originally posted by Wodenson
The Eye of Odin was being deceitful throughout his story. I never claimed that all of his story was inaccurate, only that what was shown should be taken with a grain of salt (since it's a matter of record that the Eye was lying).
What does it matter? The earth pantheons vs. the 4th celestial host has never been retconned and right now you're arguing for a negative. The burden of proof is on you to prove indisputably that the depicted events were either false or that the facts were altered later on at some point (i.e., a retcon. That plot device that occurred in the Abraxas arc.). Anything else is superfluous.
Originally posted by WodensonYou need to prove this has been retconned and since you can't you concede.
The Eye of Odin was being deceitful throughout his story. I never claimed that all of his story was inaccurate, only that what was shown should be taken with a grain of salt (since it's a matter of record that the Eye was lying).Thanos cannot use a portion of his own internal energy to empower a being to Thor or Herald level. Odin can.
Thanos' power revolves around his tech so it doesn't work the same way as Odin's but he's created far more powerful beings than Thor so my point remains true.
Originally posted by Wodenson
So we're agreed that the Eye of Odin was lying repeatedly throughout his story, and that the 'Gods vs. Arishem' scene was part of that story, correct?
In a future post you are going to prove that the encounter with the 4th celestial host was retconned or proved to be a fabrication, correct?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to prove this has been retconned and since you can't you concede.
I never made the argument that it was retconned. Now do you agree or disagree that the Eye of Odin was lying throughout his story? If you can't provide a clear answer, I'll consider it a concession on your part.
Thanos' power revolves around his tech so it doesn't work the same way as Odin's but he's created far more powerful beings than Thor so my point remains true. [
Genetic manipulation is nothing like granting powers from your own power, so you don't actually have a point. The High Evolutionary can produce a Thor level being with a sample of his DNA, but he can't enchant an object or person with Thor level powers.
Odin and Galactus can do that. Thanos cannot. He's far below them.
Originally posted by Wodenson
Where did I state or imply that the Odin-Destroyer's encounter with the Fourth Host was a fabrication?
You're trying to bring up the eye in an attempt to cast doubt on events depicting the 4th celestial host, akin to trying to undermine the credibility of a witness.
Did you just intend to whimsically explore what facet of odin's character has problems telling lies in a thread about Galactus, or was there a purpose?
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
You're trying to bring up the eye in an attempt to cast doubt on events depicting the 4th celestial host, akin to trying to undermine the credibility of a witness.
The credibility of the Eye as a witness is already shot to shit, but it didn't witness the Fourth Host. It witnessed the Third Host, and Odin's confrontation of Arishem.
Did you just intend to whimsically explore what facet of odin's character has problems telling lies in a thread about Galactus, or was there a purpose?
The Eye wasn't a facet of Odin's character. And yes, there is a purpose.
Originally posted by WodensonI say that this scene was clearly presented and since it wasn't retconned that thr truthfulness of the eye bears no relevance since we understand the scene as the writer conveying a point. If another writer deems falsehoods in the eye it's up to that writer to explain the falsehoods and since this doesn't fit into that category the burden of proof is on you. If you think the eye was lying in this regard it's up to you to prove it.
I never made the argument that it was retconned. Now do you agree or disagree that the Eye of Odin was lying throughout his story? If you can't provide a clear answer, I'll consider it a concession on your part.Genetic manipulation is nothing like granting powers from your own power, so you don't actually have a point. The High Evolutionary can produce a Thor level being with a sample of his DNA, but he can't enchant an object or person with Thor level powers.
Odin and Galactus can do that. Thanos cannot. He's far below them.
Thanos uses tech an dcreated beings differently than Odin. That's why Thanos has a much sharper mind than Odin but under their own power Thanos beings are far more powerful than Odin's.
Thanos doesn't need anyone else's dna to create Thanos clones. LOL.
Originally posted by Naija boyThe reality of the matter is that when Characters on the level of Galactus and upwards interact with heroes, PIS is a necessary corollary. Without it, the heroes would not be able to survive the encounters as they would literally be thought out of existence every time. Their would be no story.
Spectre (Jim Corrigan) Easily....
Present Alan Scott
Superboy Prime tore the Anti-Monitor apart, I'd put him against Galactus
Zeus
Fully amped Supes or Thor (and with that goes Black Adam, Cap Marvel and BRB)
Darkseid with all his cronies at his disposal
Thanos too for that matter
pre-crisis Hal Jordan (post crisis once this Blackest night crap is over maybe)
Not saying any of these (except the Spectre) would win 10/10, but they could beat Galactus. I mean, the FF beat him, surely any of these could take him out.