Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even if we assume Superman can dent/crack adamantium, and said missiles were composed of a material equal to or around the same level of adamantium, Cap's shield > adamantium.
Actually there was a thread about that. It wasn't proven that Cap's shield>>>Adamantium. If it was, then what was the deciding evidence?
Originally posted by h1a8
Actually there was a thread about that. It wasn't proven that Cap's shield>>>Adamantium. If it was, then what was the deciding evidence?
It is greater than adamantium due to its unique qualities which include absorbing force and energy directed against it. Thor's unfettered strikes with Mjolnir have dented the shield when backed by the power of the Odinforce, and without it, the shield has stood up to his blows. So too has the shield blocked the Hulk's fists. And most people, even those who believe Superman is ultimately stronger, can at least concede that a Mjolnir strike from Thor and a punch from the Hulk are equal or very close to the power of Superman's punches.
Though, I have a sinking suspicion you'll vehemently deny that they're even close to his striking power, so this may likely fall on deaf ears.
Regardless, Cap's shield has actual feats to draw on as does adamantium. Those missiles, while shown to be durable as far as opposed to Superman goes, don't have the feats to suggest they're on par with either adamantium or the shield.
Both materials which crumpled before King Thor's eyebeams as if they were nothing.
And that's to say nothing of the Destroyer Armor, which King Thor also damaged greviously.
Originally posted by drak knight
i am sorry where did you see king thor destroying adamantium? i just looked at the scans and all you can see is king thor shooting his eye beams at wolverine and you see wolverines flesh being destroyed but the skeleton remains unharmedthe odin force gives him control of the rune magick it doesnt give him more strength or more durability therefor king thor has the same weak durability just as ordinary thor, wolverine cuts his arm and you see king thor holding it with pain, hulk and thing tear off his arm again very low durability, captain america hurting king thor with his shield again very low showing of durability.
overall king thor didnt do anything to impress and to even show he is a league beyond ordinary thor , so the burdon is on the king thor supporters to show any good feat what so ever that he has because as far as i can see aside of powerful eye beams he blows , his punch while he was very mad didnt even knock out wolverine he is a high herald thats it
^ You can clearly see the adamatium being warped and one of Logan's claws actually breaking, and that was just as Strange placed the trinket over KT's neck to depower him. And yes, the Odin Force boosts his durability as shown in numerous comics. The Destroyer's beams have outright killed Thor normally, and yet, both as King Thor and again with the portion of the OF under JMS, Thor tanked the disintegration beams. Thor with the Odinforce also endured an attack from Bor, which from his own words, would have killed him had he not had the Odinforce. Heimdall with the OF also tanked Mjolnir shots to the dome, so there's a precendent set that the Odinforce increases durability to a great degree. Without the OF, as King Thor was cut off in those scans I showed, he effectively became "classic" Thor in terms of power, strength, durability, etc.
King Thor is a Skyfather based on his feats as a whole and the context of the Reigning arc.
Originally posted by drak knight
stating it as a fact wont do the trick, prove that the odin force king thor had increased his durability and strength, you can see that even with it his arm was cut by wolverine and he was holding it with pain and its not like the second strange put that thing on his neck he suddenly lost the odin force right away he was in hurt before he lost the odin force.stating that those blows would have killed him is bullshit , prove that the odin force actually made him more durable or stronger
what feats are you reffering that can put him on a skyfather level? if we give him all the credit we can he may be a trans but hell not a skyfather... skyfathers can destroy galaxies what did he ever do to put him as a skyfather? his feats are at best a trans level feats
Tanking a much more powerful Destroyer's disinegration beams who killed classic Thor is all the proof anyone should need. If you want scans, you're more than welcome to ask Rage or ODG for them; I don't have all my Thor comics at the ready outside of a few. If anything, Thor showed that his durabilty to slashing/cutting damage was about the same, but his durability to virtually everything else was superior to that of Classic Thor.
One-shot killing a being who was alledgedly immune to godly powers while animating the Destroyer Armor, which had only ever been damaged before by Celestials when Odin w/Asgard donned the armor is Skyfather level power. We also have the narration and the characters in the story noting how King Thor had become nearly as powerful as Odin himself was.
Personally, I feel King Thor was low/mid Skyfather. Inexperience and his lack of humility/arrogance held him back from being Odin's equal or superior, unlike Rune King Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8The writer even admitted in an interview Superman had the power to kill him. There are also no feats to suggest he can best someone along the lines of King Thor either. Either way you want to play I reign supreme.
You are always arguing its all about how the characters are portrayed and not just about feats. Well
The proof was in the intentions of the writer. Did you even read the arc?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI can probably agree with you here. But I value the OE far more than any non abstract beam.
It is greater than adamantium due to its unique qualities which include absorbing force and energy directed against it. Thor's unfettered strikes with Mjolnir have dented the shield when backed by the power of the Odinforce, and without it, the shield has stood up to his blows. So too has the shield blocked the Hulk's fists. And most people, even those who believe Superman is ultimately stronger, can at least concede that a Mjolnir strike from Thor and a punch from the Hulk are equal or very close to the power of Superman's punches.Though, I have a sinking suspicion you'll vehemently deny that they're even close to his striking power, so this may likely fall on deaf ears.
Regardless, Cap's shield has actual feats to draw on as does adamantium. Those missiles, while shown to be durable as far as opposed to Superman goes, don't have the feats to suggest they're on par with either adamantium or the shield.
Both materials which crumpled before King Thor's eyebeams as if they were nothing.
And that's to say nothing of the Destroyer Armor, which King Thor also damaged greviously.
The mere fact that DD took it without dying proves to me that KT won't one-shot him. Don't get me wrong, KT will definitely do some damage to DD, but without a one shot DD can just evolve to become more resistant, or immune.
This is an interesting fight. KT clearly wins with a bfr though.
Originally posted by h1a8Thor dented adamantium with Mjolnir in the very first appearance of adamantium. Savage Hulk has also dented adamantium in Secret Wars.
Actually there was a thread about that. It wasn't proven that Cap's shield>>>Adamantium. If it was, then what was the deciding evidence?
Thor's never dented Captain America's shield without the Odinforce. Savage Hulk's never dented Cap's shield either.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor dented adamantium with Mjolnir in the very first appearance of adamantium. Savage Hulk has also dented adamantium in Secret Wars.Thor's never dented Captain America's shield without the Odinforce. Savage Hulk's never dented Cap's shield either.
I don't think they tried to dent it. They may have tried to hit Steve and Steve used the shield to block. I might be wrong here but it is a moot point though since the shield can absorb impact (adamantium can't). But adamantium may be more resistant against energy projection though. Thor's beam affected the shield far easier than Wolverine's claws (which is less thicker than CA's shield).
Originally posted by h1a8The oe hasn't proven itself to be as powerful as a hammer toss from King Thor so you need a feat greater for the oe to illustrate your point.
I can probably agree with you here. But I value the OE far more than any non abstract beam.The mere fact that DD took it without dying proves to me that KT won't one-shot him. Don't get me wrong, KT will definitely do some damage to DD, but without a one shot DD can just evolve to become more resistant, or immune.
This is an interesting fight. KT clearly wins with a bfr though.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't think they tried to dent it. They may have tried to hit Steve and Steve used the shield to block. I might be wrong here but it is a moot point though since the shield can absorb impact (adamantium can't). But adamantium may be more resistant against energy projection though. Thor's beam affected the shield far easier than Wolverine's claws (which is less thicker than CA's shield).
KT was angrier when he blasted Cap's shield, so it's a fair bet that he used more power than he did blasting Wolverine.
Originally posted by h1a8They weren't giving his shield a pat down. Don't be dense. Magneto has torn apart adamantium easily with his energy powers. He couldn't affect Cap's shield.
I don't think they tried to dent it. They may have tried to hit Steve and Steve used the shield to block. I might be wrong here but it is a moot point though since the shield can absorb impact (adamantium can't). But adamantium may be more resistant against energy projection though. Thor's beam affected the shield far easier than Wolverine's claws (which is less thicker than CA's shield).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I'm pretty sure they didn't want to kill Steve did they? Anyway magnetic powers are not the same as energy beams. Plus there are lots of other things to think about. Like:
They weren't giving his shield a pat down. Don't be dense. Magneto has torn apart adamantium easily with his energy powers. He couldn't affect Cap's shield.
1. adamantium being bonded to Logan while the shield is not bonded to anything.
2. adamantium being more magnetic than the shield is
3. Has Magneto ever tried to tear the shield apart in the same fashion he separated Logan from his adamantium (although the shield is not bonded to anything)?
There's probably more.
Originally posted by quanchi112Energy projection is the not same as blunt force trauma. Comics constantly show this on a regular basis.
The oe hasn't proven itself to be as powerful as a hammer toss from King Thor so you need a feat greater for the oe to illustrate your point.
Originally posted by Silent MasterNot sure if that logic works since it's all about the writer's intentions. If the writer wanted to show that KT being more angry used more power then you have a point. I'm not sure the writer was telling us this since Thor was trying to kill both of them.
KT was angrier when he blasted Cap's shield, so it's a fair bet that he used more power than he did blasting Wolverine.
Originally posted by h1a8Savage Hulk was. Thor wasn't trying to kill the adamantium bar he dented.
I'm pretty sure they didn't want to kill Steve did they? Anyway magnetic powers are not the same as energy beams. Plus there are lots of other things to think about. Like:
Originally posted by h1a8Bonding is wholly irrelevant. Magneto in a New Mutants comic stated he could not affect the "infernal substance" that made up Cap's shield:
1. adamantium being bonded to Logan while the shield is not bonded to anything.2. adamantium being more magnetic than the shield is
3. Has Magneto ever tried to tear the shield apart in the same fashion he separated Logan from his adamantium (although the shield is not bonded to anything)?
There's probably more.