HP Doomsday vs King Thor

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Savage Hulk was. Thor wasn't trying to kill the adamantium bar he dented. Bonding is wholly irrelevant. Magneto in a New Mutants comic stated he could not affect the "infernal substance" that made up Cap's shield:

So you are saying that Thor tried to hit CA with the same force he tried to destroy the adamantium with? I find that hard to believe. That would make both Thor a monster and the fact that it was mentioned that Thor holds back out of fear of killing a lie.

So one of my points was correct. The shield isn't magnetic. Don't worry, Magneto can't control wood either. But that doesn't mean wood>adamantium.

Originally posted by h1a8

The shield isn't magnetic.

Originally posted by Damborgson
yeah it is. Just wait a bit and ill get u the scan this afternoon.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm pretty sure they didn't want to kill Steve did they? Anyway magnetic powers are not the same as energy beams. Plus there are lots of other things to think about. Like:

1. adamantium being bonded to Logan while the shield is not bonded to anything.

2. adamantium being more magnetic than the shield is

3. Has Magneto ever tried to tear the shield apart in the same fashion he separated Logan from his adamantium (although the shield is not bonded to anything)?

There's probably more.

Energy projection is the not same as blunt force trauma. Comics constantly show this on a regular basis.

Not sure if that logic works since it's all about the writer's intentions. If the writer wanted to show that KT being more angry used more power then you have a point. I'm not sure the writer was telling us this since Thor was trying to kill both of them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I know and between two attacks one attack clearly has shown greater force ie. hammer toss.

I'm not following you.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not following you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both attacks create a certain amount of force but the evidence suggests by way o ffeats that King Thor's hammer toss is the more powerful of the two.

They can't be equated. The beams had more of a burning property to them (not a blunt force).

A bulletproof vest can stop a bullet but fire can burn it. Does the fire provide more force than the bullet?

A better question is how can something burning be considered a force?

Originally posted by h1a8
They can't be equated. The beams had more of a burning property to them (not a blunt force).

A bulletproof vest can stop a bullet but fire can burn it. Does the fire provide more force than the bullet?

A better question is how can something burning be considered a force?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both create a certain level o fforce but can still have different properties. Oe doesn't set you on fire you either resist it or i hurts you to varying degrees.

The OE seems to either erase you or disintegrate you (burn).

Originally posted by h1a8
That's why they can't be equated, different properties.

The OE seems to either erase you or disintegrate you (burn).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Still both have force to them. You can compare the force.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well if it is then it was bad writing that Mags couldn't control the shield. Maybe the writer didn't know it was or it was retconned later to being magnetic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The oe hasn't proven itself to be as powerful as a hammer toss from King Thor so you need a feat greater for the oe to illustrate your point.

In terms of conventional damage, the OE has it's share of feats. For example, they decimated Cyborg Superman, Agogg, Lobo, destroyed missiles that Supermans fists couldn't even penetrate.. Lobo in particular should be capable of tanking of hammer simple hammer toss, given his insane damage soak.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

vin

King Thor pwns.

Originally posted by h1a8
How can you? One is burning and one is blunt.
If you are right then fire has more force than a bullet has when in contact with a bulletproof vest. But on the other-hand, asbestos can resist fire better and not so much a bullet. See my point?

Originally posted by cdtm
In terms of conventional damage, the OE has it's share of feats. For example, they decimated Cyborg Superman, Agogg, Lobo, destroyed missiles that Supermans fists couldn't even penetrate.. Lobo in particular should be capable of tanking of hammer simple hammer toss, given his insane damage soak.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, as they both require an amount of force. This hammer toss oneshot killed a desak destroyer so that's easily more impressive than these showings and by the way the omega beams failed to kill DD.

A Guardian couldn't kill him either, without self destructing..

Also, Darkseid clearly wasn't using the wipeout beams, otherwise he'd act surprised his body was still there.. Wipeouts are not the kinetic force OE's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, as they both require an amount of force. This hammer toss oneshot killed a desak destroyer so that's easily more impressive than these showings and by the way the omega beams failed to kill DD.

Heat is a form of energy not force. Even if it was a force then one can not say that since X can take a beam then they can certainly take a bullet, or vice versa. This is because of things are immune or more resistant to certain forms of energy than others.

So we can't compare beams to hammer tosses.

The OE failed to kill DD is a good showing for DD and not a bad showing for the OE.

I disagree that that one shotting desak is more impressive than one shotting missles that Superman himself couldn't put a scratch on.

To add to HP DD, Darkseid hit each missile with only ONE beam each and from miles away and it instant vapored them (not slowly melt them away as in what KT did). But he hit DD with BOTH beams from close range. So DD took more than twice the force (in your logic) as each of those missles Superman couldn't put a scratch on. Now that's more impressive to me.

Originally posted by cdtm
A Guardian couldn't kill him either, without self destructing..

Also, Darkseid clearly wasn't using the wipeout beams, otherwise he'd act surprised his body was still there.. Wipeouts are not the kinetic force OE's.

DD resisted the force of his beams.

Originally posted by h1a8
Heat is a form of energy not force. Even if it was a force then one can not say that since X can take a beam then they can certainly take a bullet, or vice versa. This is because of things are immune or more resistant to certain forms of energy than others.

So we can't compare beams to hammer tosses.

The OE failed to kill DD is a good showing for DD and not a bad showing for the OE.

I disagree that that one shotting desak is more impressive than one shotting missles that Superman himself couldn't put a scratch on.

To add to HP DD, Darkseid hit each missile with only ONE beam each and from miles away and it instant vapored them (not slowly melt them away as in what KT did). But he hit DD with BOTH beams from close range. So DD took more than twice the force (in your logic) as each of those missles Superman couldn't put a scratch on. Now that's more impressive to me.

Most of your post is nonsensical.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok but a gurdian isn't as powerful as King Thor so moot point.

Thor also failed to harm Genis-Vell, and got knocked down by his energy attack.