Yamamoto vs Barragan.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Ukitake wasn't moving so of course he was able to hit him. What aim feats does starrk have, against a moving target. I see nothing suggesting the slightest skill on his part.

Right, because hitting a stationary human-sized target from meters away means one has shitty aim.

I suppose people that shoot at bullet-timers, only to have them dodge out of the way at the last instant, must have shitty aim as well.

Moving Target:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c362/9.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c362/10.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c362/11.html

Couldn't Baraggan win via BFR by using the Caja Negacion on Yamamoto?

Yamamoto wins.

Here's why

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v44/c391/15.html

Powers can be negated if the difference in reiryoku is too great. And Yamamoto is worlds stronger than Barragan.

Didn't he just grab her hand? Or she couldn't pierce his skin.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Yamamoto wins.

Here's why

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v44/c391/15.html

Powers can be negated if the difference in reiryoku is too great. And Yamamoto is worlds stronger than Barragan.

I'm just saying.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Didn't he just grab her hand? Or she couldn't pierce his skin.

He did, you can see it in the scan, but based on her expression on the page before, she hit before he did so.

If you count the anime version of the fight as canon (up to you) it shows her weapon in contact with his skin, then the mark fading off, thereby proving what he said about overcoming her power with his reiryoku.

In regards to not piercing his skin I believe on the first hit blood is seen on her weapon as she pulls it back. So i would not suspect that to be true

Originally posted by NemeBro
Wasn't that an illusion though?

I'm just saying.

At some point he replaced himself with Hinamori. But I don't see how he would have somehow forced her to not activate her ability.

She could have never stabbed Hinamori at all.

Thank you for reminding me of one of my favorite Bleach lines evar.

"Shit, everything's backwards."

Originally posted by NemeBro
She could have never stabbed Hinamori at all.

How do you know it was Hinamori at this point? ;p

Also he only swaps locations, seems a bit of long shot that no one would be there for a period of time. Goes against logical reasoning from my perspective. It's not impossible. But i would want a reason to assume it, rather than just to assume it because it could be.

Overcoming a power with reiryoku is only an extension of things we've already seen. Ichigo's first free hit against Kenpachi for example.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Thank you for reminding me of one of my favorite Bleach lines evar.

"Shit, everything's backwards."

Your welcome =p

Anywho, Yamamoto wins.

Even if for some reason his fire wouldn't work, it would, he can just punch him to death. Like the man that he is.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
How do you know it was Hinamori at this point? ;p

Also he only swaps locations, seems a bit of long shot that no one would be there for a period of time. Goes against logical reasoning from my perspective. It's not impossible. But i would want a reason to assume it, rather than just to assume it because it could be.

Overcoming a power with reiryoku is only an extension of things we've already seen. Ichigo's first free hit against Kenpachi for example.

Kenpachi armouring his body with his massive reiryoku is one thing, but "Herpderp nope your powers don't work because I'm so strong" is stupid.

And Aizen's Shikai is apparently absolute, in that he can project illusions indefinitely if someone saw his release just once. What is to stop him from simply making Soifon think she pierced him, when she didn't?

Also, how do you know it was not Hinamori at that point? O:

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's probably bias on my part, because I find that aspect of Bleach far beyond retarded.

Kenpachi armouring his body with his massive reiryoku is one thing, but "Herpderp nope your powers don't work because I'm so strong" is stupid.

And Aizen's Shikai is apparently absolute, in that he can project illusions indefinitely if someone saw his release just once. What is to stop him from simply making Soifon think she pierced him, when she didn't?

Also, how do you know it was not Hinamori at that point? O:

It's the exact same concept =p Instead of just physical blows it extends to varying other powers/effects =p

Nothing. What's to make us to assume this is the case when he has given a good reason why what we are seeing can make sense? =p

And yeah, it sucks, but given the difference it seems to require anyway, Barragan is the only character in the series who this would even matter for. Plus this would explain how Aizen was able to subdue him anyway.

I just don't see Soifon penetrating another girl who isn't Yoruichi.... *snickers*

But no, really. Nothing, and I might be the only one but, I also don't really think soifon is a lesbian =p

Originally posted by EvilAngel
It's the exact same concept =p Instead of just physical blows it extends to varying other powers/effects =p

Nothing. What's to make us to assume this is the case when he has given a good reason why what we are seeing can make sense? =p

And yeah, it sucks, but given the difference it seems to require anyway, Barragan is the only character in the series who this would even matter for. Plus this would explain how Aizen was able to subdue him anyway.

I just don't see Soifon penetrating another girl who isn't Yoruichi.... *snickers*

But no, really. Nothing, and I might be the only one but, I also don't really think soifon is a lesbian =p

To intimidate and demoralise Soifon perhaps? She seemed quite shocked that it didn't work.

Well, other people have fairly broken powers.

Hm. I kinda smiled when I read that.

I think Soifon is a lesbian merely because it's hotter that way. :3

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Anywho, Yamamoto wins.

Even if for some reason his fire wouldn't work, it would, he can just punch him to death. Like the man that he is.

Did you forget about the time-field he has? Trying to punch Barragan would be suicide.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Yamamoto wins.

Here's why

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v44/c391/15.html

Powers can be negated if the difference in reiryoku is too great. And Yamamoto is worlds stronger than Barragan.

Barragan isn't a Shinigami though. vin

That said, Yamamoto b****-slaps him like he did Wonderweiss.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Did you forget about the time-field he has?

Didn't stop Soi-Fon from kicking him. 😮

Originally posted by Nephthys
Trying to punch Barragan would be suicide.

Eh, whats he got to lose? He's already dead.

^

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Soi-Fon's kicks:

Yamamoto's punches:

Baraggan won't be blocking Yamamoto's punch the way he did against Soi-Fon's kick.

When did she kick him? I can't find it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nah, it's validating a no-limits fallacy, reiryoku can apparently defend against anything if you are so supar strong and powerful apparently.

To intimidate and demoralise Soifon perhaps? She seemed quite shocked that it didn't work.

Well, other people have fairly broken powers.

Hm. I kinda smiled when I read that.

I think Soifon is a lesbian merely because it's hotter that way. :3

No limits fallacy? I'm not saying he can resist anything, in this instancce I am solely talking about Barragans power =p So it's either moot, or you are saying Barragans power is limitless =p I'll assume the former =)

Perhaps, but he could do the same by overcoming her power the way he said he did.

Sorry, I am. But, there's no more argument here. Aizen explained how he didn't die from her ability and the scans back this up. The anime version more so. It sucks how that mechanic works in bleach, but it is heavily supported =\

I wouldn't defend it in a fight involving none bleach characters, but while they all are, it seems to be a legit thing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When did she kick him? I can't find it.

Sarcasm?

If not, he blocked her kick because he slowed it down. Doubt he's blocking one of Yama's punches.