Thor absorbs the Omega Effect, amps it up, and nukes Darkseid all the way to the Dark Dimension...
Thor 10/10...
I do agree, however, that the combination of Superman wankage plus the apparent depowerment of Darkseid over the years have really taken a toll on Darkseids status as a character...
I truly do feel that hes supposed to be a legit Skyfather level character, but the way he is typically portrayed, he's a Low Trans at best...
Originally posted by quanchi112 So you admit your own personal feelings on the matter are irrelevant.on the matter of who wins between him and thor? yes, i never used my opinion of how he should be portrayed as evidnce of who would win. you either missundertood or misrepresented my post
that's just the absurdity of it, why cant they remove heat from existence?
Superman's speed and hv can counter Seid's omega beams and guess what already have.
this is true, he'd probably be better off without them
The funny thing is having oneshot/kill/defeat beams pigeonhold the writer so of course we are going to see Darkseid fail time and time again. [/B]
Originally posted by 753So you agree based on the evidence Thor deflects or absorbs the oe.
on the matter of who wins between him and thor? yes, i never used my opinion of how he should be portrayed as evidnce of who would win. you either missundertood or misrepresented my post that's just the absurdity of it, why cant they remove heat from existence? this is true, he'd probably be better off without them
I dunno but the writer has established that hv can negate it when coupled with speed.
Originally posted by quanchi112like I originally said, thor rarely uses mjolnir's power to suck an energy attack out of the air into it, instead relying on raising the hammer and blocking the blasts. that is why he gets blasted so often. furthermroe, DS can manage to keep him away from the hammer - specally given thor's propensity to throw the thing arround - long enough to tag him with the OE. so there are ways to get arround its energy absorption
So you agree based on the evidence Thor deflects or absorbs the oe.I dunno but the writer has established that hv can negate it when coupled with speed.
Originally posted by 753It's far more likely that Thor deflects the blast back onto Darkseid or just blocks it. When he tosses his hammer Darkseid is going to be taking it head on. I honestly think this is definitely a heavy majority for Thor since the oe can be negated here. Darkseid's reliance on it against characters on this level has really hurt his standing.
like I originally said, thor rarely uses mjolnir's power to suck an energy attack out of the air into it, instead relying on raising the hammer and blocking the blasts. that is why he gets blasted so often. furthermroe, DS can manage to keep him away from the hammer - specally given thor's propensity to throw the thing arround - long enough to tag him with the OE. so there are ways to get arround its energy absorption
Originally posted by Starscream M
the thing is I think Thor is uniquely propositioned to deal with Darkseid...far better than other heralds would imo ie Surferhis Mjolnir can affectively negate the Omega Beam and that allows thor to go up close and melee against Darkseid
good point thors hammer will come in handy when it comes to darksieds Omega beams.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If it isn't en he doesn't get to use it in vs. threads.
Rules say otherwise.
Standard equipment section.
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.
OP says Apokolips for this scenario, so he has access to equipment in Apokolips. Darkseid wins.
Originally posted by The GambitNo, it has to be used regularly or on his person. But you know what since I'm a nice guy what specifically did you have in mind that he'd use from apokolips.
Rules say otherwise.Standard equipment section.
OP says Apokolips for this scenario, so he has access to equipment in Apokolips. Darkseid wins.
Current Darkseid loses, obviously. Post Crisis Darkseid before he got butchered has enough feats to make it a fight and then some (He easily captured Superman and Infinity Man with some Omega's, for one, and the Omega's were shown as ignoring obstacles and acting intelligently, as well as capable or traveling through time and space..)
And for the hell of it, some opinions on PC Seid:
Darkseid from The Great Darkness Saga obviously wins.
Original Kirby Darkseid may win or lose depending on whether he tries facing Thor down mano y mano, or if he fights cheap. He took down Infinity Man with the cheapness, Boom Toobing right behind him and hitting him with the full OE before he could respond. And, the OE cleaned up the Forever People, tracking them down and sending them through time.
However, this version of Seid also has zero combat feats, and in fact ran from direct confrontation with his son, Darkseid. So likely, Thor beats Kirby 'Seid down.
That said, Kirby Darkseid is bigger then mere wins and losses. He's, by far, the coolest Darkseid ever.
One of my favorite Kirby Darkseid moments:
DS wins this easy. The only reason superman has defeated DS is because he starts to fight like a brick. He beats or bfrs regular superman with ease if he uses all of his powers. Thor is not Superman's physical equal. He won't be able to beat DS in a fist fight. If Thor goes exotic with his powers, so does DS. DS is Skyfather level, no way is thor in the same class unless we bring up King Thor.
Originally posted by DiesldudeSuperman actually bfr'd Seid along with a host of baddies before. The comics contradict your points. Thor won't be using his fist his hammer which contains more power than Superman's fists. Skyfather characters don't lose to DD in two panels. Just sayin.
DS wins this easy. The only reason superman has defeated DS is because he starts to fight like a brick. He beats or bfrs regular superman with ease if he uses all of his powers. Thor is not Superman's physical equal. He won't be able to beat DS in a fist fight. If Thor goes exotic with his powers, so does DS. DS is Skyfather level, no way is thor in the same class unless we bring up King Thor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman actually bfr'd Seid along with a host of baddies before. The comics contradict your points.
He bfr'd DS because he was fighting like a brick, and not using his versatility.
Darkseids battlefield removed Superman numerous times, via the OE and Boom Tube. If he wanted to, he could have sent him into the heart of a red sun or in the middle of the universe where he'd suffocate, instead of back to Earth.