Thor vs Darkseid

Originally posted by cdtm
He bfr'd DS because he was fighting like a brick, and not using his versatility.

Darkseids battlefield removed Superman numerous times, via the OE and Boom Tube. If he wanted to, he could have sent him into the heart of a red sun or in the middle of the universe where he'd suffocate, instead of back to Earth.

You also argued it's in character for Seid to fight like a brick against Superman and we don't argue powerset only here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What you think he can do or would do takes a back seat to what he has done. More often than not Superman goes toe to toe with him and Darkseid uses any tactics he can to save himself from Superman.

What has has done, is bfr'd Superman, and had him at his mercy on several occasions, including imprisonment which he later released him from. That's not opinion, that's fact.

And the Apokolip's Now and Superman/Batman storyline clearly had Darkseid fighting like a brick. I don't know where you get he used any and all tactics, considering his main tactic was "beat down", which is very un Darkseid like.

Originally posted by cdtm
What has has done, is bfr'd Superman, and had him at his mercy on several occasions, including imprisonment which he later released him from. That's not opinion, that's fact.

And the Apokolip's Now and Superman/Batman storyline clearly had Darkseid fighting like a brick. I don't know where you get he used any and all tactics, considering his main tactic was "beat down", which is very un Darkseid like.

Seid's tactic is his omega beams and when they fail against an elite tier he tends to fail.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's not the norm though the norm is both guys beating on each other. Like I said Superman bfr'd Seid and others before and did so without effort.

Seid's tactic is his omega beams and when they fail against an elite tier he tends to fail.

It's been normal since OWAW, perhaps.. But relative to post crisis history, there's plenty of examples to back up Darkseid bfring Superman being a viable tactic.

Off the top of my head, Darkseid used to OE's to 'port Superman to Apokolips for their first meeting, bfr'd him with a boom tube during their early post crisis battle, sent his OE to teleport Superman and Infinity Man into imprisonment (And Superman claimed the OE was too fast to avoid), bfr'd him when Superman went to confront Darkseid about a Superman body being in his tomb (Which was caused by Brainiac, for the record). That's four examples off the top of my head of Darkseid 'porting Superman against his will, with at least two examples under combat conditions (Although one of them is merely Superman trying to escape the things, but imo that = combat conditions, as he was actively trying to avoid them.)

By contrast, you have Superman/Batman and Apokolips Now where they slug it out. Two hand to hand brawls doesn't make this a norm by any means..

Originally posted by cdtm
It's been normal since OWAW, perhaps.. But relative to post crisis history, there's plenty of examples to back up Darkseid bfring Superman being a viable tactic.

Off the top of my head, Darkseid used to OE's to 'port Superman to Apokolips for their first meeting, bfr'd him with a boom tube during their early post crisis battle, sent his OE to teleport Superman and Infinity Man into imprisonment (And Superman claimed the OE was too fast to avoid), bfr'd him when Superman went to confront Darkseid about a Superman body being in his tomb (Which was caused by Brainiac, for the record). That's four examples off the top of my head of Darkseid 'porting Superman against his will, with at least two examples under combat conditions (Although one of them is merely Superman trying to escape the things, but imo that = combat conditions, as he was actively trying to avoid them.)

By contrast, you have Superman/Batman and Apokolips Now where they slug it out. Two hand to hand brawls doesn't make this a norm by any means..

It does make sense. In superman/batman they fight physically three times. In owaw they fight physically twice. In Superman's comic he bfr's Seid easily. In (an) they fight physically. That's just off the top of my head and look at the examples.

Thor only wins if you limit DS to his low end showings.

Now, if you want to play fair you'd use Darkseid's high end vs Thor's high end, and Darkseid would win.

Or you could use low end vs. low end, and Darkseid would win.

But if you want to cheat, and go low vs. high, then Thor might have a chance.

By low end showings, do you mean current showings?

I mean his weakest applicable showings.

Darkseid doesn't break a sweat against anyone under Superman. He consistently pulls out feats far above Thor.

Which would be his most current showings, right?

Who only uses current showings?

How gimped would Odin, Thor, or Hulk be if they couldn't cite any silver age feats? Lots of other characters, too.

There worse thing to ever happen to poor Darkseid was running into Clark, it's like Galactus running into Reed.

Originally posted by Cogito
Thor only wins if you limit DS to his low end showings.

Now, if you want to play fair you'd use Darkseid's high end vs Thor's high end, and Darkseid would win.

Or you could use low end vs. low end, and Darkseid would win.

But if you want to cheat, and go low vs. high, then Thor might have a chance.

Well said. The lowballing of Darkseid here is ridiculous.

Originally posted by cdtm
Who only uses current showings?

How gimped would Odin, Thor, or Hulk be if they couldn't cite any silver age feats? Lots of other characters, too.

Originally posted by Cogito
Thor only wins if you limit DS to his low end showings.

Now, if you want to play fair you'd use Darkseid's high end vs Thor's high end, and Darkseid would win.

Or you could use low end vs. low end, and Darkseid would win.

But if you want to cheat, and go low vs. high, then Thor might have a chance.

^ SF Darkseid...

Originally posted by Uriel005
^ SF Darkseid...