In my opinion, the actual location of the All Versus Forum isn't really a priority issue with me, so long as we actually get our AVF.
I agree 100%, Bardock, that cross-genre threads should only be allowed, with specific rules stated for such.
As far as non-fictional characters are concerned, do you feel that if would be an impediment (LOL) to the overall flow of the forum?
Originally posted by Impediment
In my opinion, the actual location of the All Versus Forum isn't really a priority issue with me, so long as we actually get our AVF.I agree 100%, Bardock, that cross-genre threads should only be allowed, with specific rules stated for such.
As far as non-fictional characters are concerned, do you feel that if would be an impediment (LOL) to the overall flow of the forum?
non fictional characters would be just fine, IMO...
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wouldn't this:http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f60/
Be the best place for it?
as Matt said it doesn't really matter as long it actually happens
Originally posted by Peach
the VGVs has been going for nearly as long as the CBVs, and with the fewest problems of all of the Vs. forums.
Bragging on ourselves a bit there Peachy? 😛
Kidding aside though, VG characters work just fine. They aren't a problem. It is mostly the segregation of cut scene and gameplay that I see posing a problem.
As for what the thread should encompass, it really should just be cross medium. Only exception I feel is right would be if the medium doesn't itself have a Versus forum. That is not to say we'd have to close the thread. If it hasn't been done before, unlikely but possible, it can always be moved to it's more appropriate forum. I think that would work anyway.
As for using real life people in threads...I'm a little torn. For starters, the Deadliest Warrior show is kind of already doing that. Second, it would be harder to provide feats for real life people. No Word of God, probably not many videos, etc. There'd certainly be some but few I'd think. Third, with a fictional character we can always get a feel for their personalities, something that isn't always the case for real life people. Makes it more difficult to see how a fight would play out.
I'm rather on the fence about it.
Of course, Deadliest Warrior is shitty and stupid.
Fictional characters only, I say. In most cases we don't know enough factually about non-fictional people, and the ones people really want (say, Abe Lincoln vs. Ghengis Khan) have enough legendary status that I'm sure some medium has a fictionalized version available.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Fictional characters only, I say. In most cases we don't know enough factually about non-fictional people, and the ones people really want (say, Abe Lincoln vs. Ghengis Khan) have enough legendary status that I'm sure some medium has a fictionalized version available.
Duly noted. I agree with fictional characters only as viable material in an AVF. Anything else would just be too messy and unreliable for ample feats.
Originally posted by General Kaliero
Of course, Deadliest Warrior is shitty and stupid.Fictional characters only, I say. In most cases we don't know enough factually about non-fictional people, and the ones people really want (say, Abe Lincoln vs. Ghengis Khan) have enough legendary status that I'm sure some medium has a fictionalized version available.
Well yeah but that goes without saying. 😛
This is true. If one wanted to use Ali, they can just use the film version of him. Makes it easier in any case.
Originally posted by Peach
Hey, having wrestled that forum into some semblence of sanity is kind of a feat, okay 😛 And it is true that there's the least trouble coming out of the VGVs, as compared to the other Vs. forums.
It might be. Then again, maybe kids who play video games are just more mature than others? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
There are plenty more matches you could come up with. They just won't get much traffic compared to more popular matches.That said, I have always wanted to see Ender Wiggin beat Lelouch in a fight. So if that means it can happen, I'd like it.
Maybe this isn't as good as I originally thought. mmm
Does this mean we get to use folks from books against movie/anime characters?
I've always wanted to see Fenring versus Wrath, but Fenring's combative abilties are only really hinted at in the Dune novel and not the film. (Where he's also absent.)
Originally posted by ImpedimentI think it all should be good myself personally. The great thing about it is comic guys who play video games but don't frequent the video game vs. forum will see it and likely respond and vice versa.
Good question.Do you think that cross medium matches should ONLY be allowed?
In my opinion, I think that they should.
I know this is just my opinion and do realize that cross medium matches will be good now and for tv characters to get some play but I'm interested in getting different opinions other than going to same sections and already knowing pretty much every normal members opinion on a topic. Very little surprises for me anymore.
When I used to post on herochat they had an all vs. section and used real people as well like mike tyson vs. ali and what not and it works fine. Now I am sure right out of the gate problems may arise and confusion may abound but that will quickly dissolve once order is established and people get the hang of it.
I do realize this might detract from the vs. sections of movie vs. forums or comic vs. but highly doubt it will be a huge change since I believe the core members will stick to these places they have regularly posted at for years.
With all this being said if it's just a cross medium this holds very little if any appeal to me personally.
Originally posted by quanchi112
With all this being said if it's just a cross medium this holds very little if any appeal to me personally.
Why? It's still a good idea. New and interesting enough that it certainly will hold some appeal. Only Cross medium matches limits the space taken up and allows for the other forums to keep going strong. If we didn't have that rule, we'd likely get a lot of duplicate threads, like Master Chief vs Samus.
That said, there is really one important thing I had forgotten about: Characters not allowed in certain forums. In the VGV and AVF, the rules state that all characters must originate in a video game/anime respectively. This means that popular series, most notable being God of War, can't really contribute many characters. If someone wanted to make a thread like say:
Zeus(God of War) vs Sora(Kingdom Hearts)
I do think that would be okay. Both are video game characters but the thread can't be made in the VGV based on the current rules. Same situation applies to anime I suppose if someone wanted to do, say:
Powerpuff Girls Z vs Astro Boy.
Both are technically anime characters but the thread wasn't allowed.
Now while I do think this is as close a solution as one can get to having this thread satisfy desires without having to hurt the other forums, it does lead to the obvious possibility of the forum becoming too bloated. And it might still take attention away from the other forums.
So, my two cents. ^^
I see the AVF, also, as being a "cross" vs. thread, as well.
Strictly comic vs. comic would stay in the CVF. Movie characters versus movie characters would stay in the MVF, etc.
About nonfiction vs.: those should stay in the GDF where they have been made. When dealing with history, historians, and politics, that's really best suited for the GDF. There have been no problems with the placement, in the past, so why should it start mattering, right? Besides, so few non-fiction vs. threads get made that it will amount to very little in the grand-scheme of things: those threads will account for less than 1% of the threads IF non-fiction matches were created.
I suspect that the forum activity for the AVF will be able to be mapped to the Gartner Hype Cycle: except this hype cycle realized in less than 6 months rather than a few years. During the initial "zerg rush" of threads and ideas, we will see lots of inappropriate threads created. Once the excitement wears off, we should see a sag in activity and it will start to slowly build back up and reach a more stable level that is quite manageable. I suspect that activity will be somewhere between the MVF and CVF, once things settle.
There is an X-Factor: it could slowly increase in activity as time goes by, after the initial hype. This growth could also be partially external as we are already creating threads on KMC that cannot be found anywhere else on the internet.
AVF Social thread?
What about, just for fun, an annual "AVF" awards thread as voted on by the posters and mods? (Best Thread matchup, funniest matchup, best army v. army matchup, largest unintentional spite thread, best AVF post rebuttal of the year, etc. That would be fun, I think.)