The All Versus Forum

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why? It's still a good idea. New and interesting enough that it certainly will hold some appeal. Only Cross medium matches limits the space taken up and allows for the other forums to keep going strong. If we didn't have that rule, we'd likely get a lot of duplicate threads, like Master Chief vs Samus.

That said, there is really one important thing I had forgotten about: Characters not allowed in certain forums. In the VGV and AVF, the rules state that all characters must originate in a video game/anime respectively. This means that popular series, most notable being God of War, can't really contribute many characters. If someone wanted to make a thread like say:

Zeus(God of War) vs Sora(Kingdom Hearts)

I do think that would be okay. Both are video game characters but the thread can't be made in the VGV based on the current rules. Same situation applies to anime I suppose if someone wanted to do, say:

Powerpuff Girls Z vs Astro Boy.

Both are technically anime characters but the thread wasn't allowed.

Now while I do think this is as close a solution as one can get to having this thread satisfy desires without having to hurt the other forums, it does lead to the obvious possibility of the forum becoming too bloated. And it might still take attention away from the other forums.

So, my two cents. ^^

That would be interesting to argue all those video games characters not allowed in the video game vs. That would be nice but I'm just saying I'd like an all vs. but I doubt that's going to happen since it might take away from the specific rooms.

I guess too we could make Dante's Inferno the entire game vs. God of war the entire game since most enemies aren't allowed in the vs. section board.

Ok, I'm a lot more interested now if this pans out.

Every other board I have basically been to has had one all vs. section so it'd be ok with me but I know it's a major change that likely wouldn't see the light of day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say it wasn't a good idea I just said it holds very little appeal to me personally. The more options to debate the better but I bet it'll have very little traffic.

That would be interesting to argue all those video games characters not allowed in the video game vs. That would be nice but I'm just saying I'd like an all vs. but I doubt that's going to happen since it might take away from the specific rooms.

I guess too we could make Dante's Inferno the entire game vs. God of war the entire game since most enemies aren't allowed in the vs. section board.

Ok, I'm a lot more interested now if this pans out.

Every other board I have basically been to has had one all vs. section so it'd be ok with me but I know it's a major change that likely wouldn't see the light of day.

In the instances where you could not have certain video game characters fight, you COULD make them fight in the AVF.

Lemme sum it up like this: if you can't make the versus matchup anywhere else, the AVF is the best place.

We just need to get clarification on what threads will stay in which sub-forum.

Originally posted by dadudemon
In the instances where you could not have certain video game characters fight, you COULD make them fight in the AVF.

Lemme sum it up like this: if you can't make the versus matchup anywhere else, the AVF is the best place.

We just need to get clarification on what threads will stay in which sub-forum.

If we allowed movie vs movie/comic vs comic/game vs game/etc in an All Versus Forum, the existing forums for genre specifric matches would be redundant. Cross genre matches should only be allowed in an AVF due to the fact, also, that many, many, many dupe threads would be created thus creating a splendiferous clusterf*ck. Were it to be not cross genre only, I would have no interest whatsoever to mod such a place as it would be a terrible strain.

Indeed, it would cause a strain on whomever mods if we were to allow it to encompass all the other mediums instead of just being cross genre. That said, what is your opinion on letting threads that can't be made in other forums(Zeus from God of War vs Sora example) be allowed? It's the only thing I can think of that has a chance at pleasing everyone but you're the one planning to mod so it is ultimately your decision. Well, if it gets made that is.

Originally posted by Impediment
If we allowed movie vs movie/comic vs comic/game vs game/etc in an All Versus Forum, the existing forums for genre specifric matches would be redundant. Cross genre matches should only be allowed in an AVF due to the fact, also, that many, many, many dupe threads would be created thus creating a splendiferous clusterf*ck. Were it to be not cross genre only, I would have no interest whatsoever to mod such a place as it would be a terrible strain.

Not to mention the modding expertise required to effectively mod such a forum would be monumental. Part of the reason I think each of the current vs. forums do so well is due to the modding expertise from each of the primary mods.

I think that this new AVF, even assuming cross-only matches, will still require asking other mods to clarify or assist in some of the threads. We may end up in a situation where we have to ask -Pr- and Peach to provide their expertise for ruling on a comic book character vs. a video game character, for example. 😆

I can see why the mods groaned at this original idea. It's probably because the don't want this place to fall to shit which means they genuinely care about the quality.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed, it would cause a strain on whomever mods if we were to allow it to encompass all the other mediums instead of just being cross genre. That said, what is your opinion on letting threads that can't be made in other forums(Zeus from God of War vs Sora example) be allowed? It's the only thing I can think of that has a chance at pleasing everyone but you're the one planning to mod so it is ultimately your decision. Well, if it gets made that is.

Why wouldn't Zeus vs Sora be allowed in the VGV? Seems like a viable match to me.

Zeus is from mythology, not a game.

'1. This forum is Video Game Versus. Therefore, all characters in the match must originate in a video game - simply appearing in one is not good enough! If you are unsure if a character originates in a game, do a little research first. Wikipedia and Google are your friends!'

Originally posted by Impediment
Why wouldn't Zeus vs Sora be allowed in the VGV? Seems like a viable match to me.

All the characters have to originate in games. It really is effective at keeping order but a lot of posters there are obviously annoyed at it. I was contemplating that this AVF would be able to rectify that, though it does pose the problem of taking attention away from the VGV and putting a strain on the mods here.

Edit: He asked ME Neph! God, why must you try to steal my thunder!? :'(

Ah.

Well, in my opinion, if the character is actually in a video game, but is not deemed okay for the Video Game Versus, or any other versus forum on the board, then it seems like a viable match for the All Versus Forum.

After all, that's the whole point of making this proposed forum, right?

Maybe Peach and GK know something I don't.........awermm

Heh, I don't think it is them knowing something but them considering something that is not that surprising. 😛

There are a ton of video games that feature unoriginal characters. Star Wars games, Superhero games, games that deal with Mythology, etc. Allowing all those games would put an incredible strain on them, especially if people started using different kinds of canon as evidence. So I can perfectly understand the need to get strict.

That said, I'm nervous that that might happen here and that it might draw attention away from the VGV, which wouldn't be a good thing.

GK has said that the VGV is relatively dead nowadays.

As far as canon for video game characters that originated outside of a VG, I feel obliged to use my golden rule about on screen feats as the only canon source, much like I do in the MVF. God of War's Zeus, for example, would only be able to draw his abilities and powers from what is seen on screen in the GoW series as opposed to the countless tales from Greek mythology.

That the way I see it, at least.

VGV isn't really dead; it's just that we'll run into random spurts of creativity where people will create a ton of different types of matches, and then other periods of time where everything is just the same argument rehashed over and over, and certain threads just overpower everything else. Right now it's in one of those latter stages. It won't stay that way; I've been watching it cycle like that for six years now.

I've actually noticed the MVF do just that when blockbuster movies aren't in season.

Originally posted by Impediment
GK has said that the VGV is relatively dead nowadays.

As far as canon for video game characters that originated outside of a VG, I feel obliged to use my golden rule about on screen feats as the only canon source, much like I do in the MVF. God of War's Zeus, for example, would only be able to draw his abilities and powers from what is seen on screen in the GoW series as opposed to the countless tales from Greek mythology.

That the way I see it, at least.

This is why the "thread conditions" should be cemented in the OP, right? 😄

They'd have to specify exactly which version to use, for sure.

I want this just for the creative stimulation/

It would boost posts for sure. You will get alot of uncreative threads but the gems would shine!

Originally posted by Impediment
Since Raz has shown his face here recently, I feel like I should get the ball rolling and make a petition thread for an All Versus Forum. I support this idea, as do many other members. It seems to work on other numerous websites, and I feel that this could be a fun place to pit matches.

What is an All Versus Forum? It's a place where you can pit comic book characters, movie characters, video game characters, novel/book characters, television characters, and anime characters all together in a single bout, without restriction for genre specific forums.

If created, I volunteer to mod this All Versus Forum, and will gladly accept any help offered to help mod the place.

Raz, it's your call, Meister!

Everyone cite reasons why you want this place made!

Not too sure it would work, comic match-ups work better on their own (same universe, more or less same rules) and so do games (I'm not sure how they work to begin with, I mean the character is only as good as the player) in my opinion.

Movie vs tv should have really been allowed ages ago because they mesh well and are not so different. Not to mention easy to reference with appropiate videos of feats.

Books would be incredibly difficult and you'd have to be assuming that many others have even read the books of where you're bringing the characters from, and if nobody has you can't generate discussion. Take the Deathstalker books, 9 in total, each 500 - 600+ pages long, how can you possibly present feats from sagas like these? Its way too much content to get through!

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Books would be incredibly difficult and you'd have to be assuming that many others have even read the books of where you're bringing the characters from, and if nobody has you can't generate discussion. Take the Deathstalker books, 9 in total, each 500 - 600+ pages long, how can you possibly present feats from sagas like these? Its way too much content to get through!

We still get along with Star Wars vs. discussions and there's hundreds of thousands of pages to go through for feat references.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We still get along with Star Wars vs. discussions and there's hundreds of thousands of pages to go through for feat references.

Good point, but still there's the risk of revealing something about a character that you haven't read about yet. Spoilers would of course help but there might be a lot of open talk.

Say a thread opens with a book character vs a movie character, feats from books 1-4 included. I may have read 1 and 4 but not 2 and 3 but I'm a fan of the character and I want to participate. I 've got to find the books, read them and by the time I've done that the thread would have probably died. I wouldn't want to read feats out of context either for obvious reasons.

Plus its very different taking a book character and pitting him against a movie character, a movie character is more flamboyant and does a lot of impressive feats merely for show - also movies operate with 'out there' interpretations of physics and general ignorance e.g. a gunshot explodes C4 explosives. A book would not do that, at least I haven't read one that has and I read a lot of military fiction.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Good point, but still there's the risk of revealing something about a character that you haven't read about yet. Spoilers would of course help but there might be a lot of open talk.

This is why you don't click on a thread that has a character you don't want to know about, yet.

It happens all the time in the MVF: a movie will be out (illegally, or regionally) and most have not seen it. Sometimes, threads are created before the film comes out.

What do you do?

Don't click on the thread unless you want spoilers.

What if you don't know that it has spoilers and it's about something else? Too bad: you don't enter a versus thread match if you wanted to read/watch something about one of the characters.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Say a thread opens with a book character vs a movie character, feats from books 1-4 included. I may have read 1 and 4 but not 2 and 3 but I'm a fan of the character and I want to participate. I 've got to find the books, read them and by the time I've done that the thread would have probably died. I wouldn't want to read feats out of context either for obvious reasons.

That's true of any versus forum everywhere. If you want to participate but don't want to have information spoiled, then it is up to you to decide if you want to spoil the story or exercise patience.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Plus its very different taking a book character and pitting him against a movie character, a movie character is more flamboyant and does a lot of impressive feats merely for show - also movies operate with 'out there' interpretations of physics and general ignorance e.g. a gunshot explodes C4 explosives. A book would not do that, at least I haven't read one that has and I read a lot of military fiction.

And the opposite is also true: sometimes, movie characters are less powerful/awesome than their book counterparts. In fact, that's true the majority of the time. What does this mean? It means you can pick and choose which characters you like, specify that version, and have fun! 🙂

Also, I see crap for science in books, all the time. It's up to the thread starter, just the same as it is now in all the vs. threads, to specify the thread conditions.

You concerns are concerns that you'd have about any vs Forum: not just an AVF.