Originally posted by dadudemonYes, just one Smith the one who fought Neo at the end. If Smith had clones he could easily destroy the entire jedi and sith combined forces in the matrix would imo.
I thought about that, too. I don't think Quan intended it to be multiple: just one Smith.Buuuuut....at the point he takes over the Oracle...there were already thousands if not millions of Smith clones.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're applying a no limit fallacy to the Force.No different than you saying "Yoda can lift a multi-trillion ton mountain" and then making someone else prove that he can't or it's true.
Quit using a limits fallacy ass hole!
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But in all honesty I doubt Smith can walk out of a TK hold... Lucky for him he can fly! So yeah, I agree he breaks out. Furthermore, when does Anakin really resort to the force rather than his saber...
Originally posted by ares834This is typical of someone championing a losing fighter. They start pretending they are the character and ignore what's in character for the guy they were even arguing for.
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But in all honesty I doubt Smith can walk out of a TK hold... Lucky for him he can fly! So yeah, I agree he breaks out. Furthermore, when does Anakin really resort to the force rather than his saber...
Originally posted by dadudemonSo you're in repeater mode? K. Name me one time, a single movie feat where anyone muscled out of a TK hold.
"No the other way around, RJ. You have it backwards. The burden is on YOU to prove that they have force TK strong enough to do so.You lack the feats. In fact, we DO see the limit in Force TK being shown: Yoda and Sidious. They certainly pushed the limits and their final fight certainly was the best showing. They strained quite a bit and there is no doubt they were the strongest in force mastery, on screen. (Sure, Anakin may have been the strongest in the force, but his force mastery never eclipses that of Yoda and Sidious.)"
The strength required to create those multiple shockwaves actually shows force requirements well beyond thousands of tons.So, in addition to being able to muscle out of a force hold (again, Smith never showed any TK resistance), he can resist force pull, push and choke?Let's go low end and estimate the shockwaves created only amounted to a 1 cubic km sphere.
It was raining so the density of the air is significantly greater than is shown on this website, but just to give you a mild taste of how ridiculous your question is:
http://greenearthfacts.com/weather/how-much-does-a-cloud-weigh/
So just the shockwaves from the punches they were throwning have a greater force than 1,003,000,000 kg (over a million tonnes). Do I even need to remind you of how much weaker a shockwave that originated from a punch to a rigid body, is? Yes, we are talking a factor of a thousand or more.
Obviously, the massive punch he throws at Neo towards the very end of their fight (where Neo falls to the earth and Agent Smith accelerates that fall) encompasses the entire city (meaning, its far greater than just 1 spherical km).
I have a major problem with having to even explain this little bit to you. You're not serious, just trolling, and already know your argument failed. You thought that people could not support their argument or something? That's just stupid. The entire fight sequence proves that.
Neo taking off at the end of Matrix and the beginning of Reloaded has such a steep acceleration vector that he could easily take off with thousands of tons in tow.
Stop trying to keep the thread alive with null arguments.
Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
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Toad and Scott were both caught in TK holds. They were both struggling. Todd and Jean, they never, not once showed any signs of strengthening their TK holds. Toad and Scott, despite their feeble struggling, could not break or even weaken the TK hold.
Yes, I know, Smith is on another strength level, but you get my point.
A TK hold isn't a magical, unbrakable force that can't be broken out of ever. Thats completely ridiculous. Its something that physically restrains them. It stands to reason that it can be broken out of physically.
Besides, he can fly. He can move his body without physical movement telekinetically. Neo uses telekinesis to stop bullets. He can brake out of a TK hold that way.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you're in repeater mode? K. Name me one time, a single movie feat where anyone muscled out of a TK hold.
No different than me saying: "name me one time, a single movie feat where anyone teleported/apparated out of a TK hold."
You can't and rightfully so, that burden isn't on you to prove. But not being dumbasses we can realize that a Force hold/choke wouldn't hold a teleporter. Just as we realize that people like Agent Smith, Superman and Hancock far exceed what the Force was shown being able to hold/resist, going by the films only. Other SW media, sure, it's far greater. Yoda picked up and slammed a mountain once.
Originally posted by Robtard
No different than me saying: "name me one time, a single movie feat where anyone teleported/apparated out of a TK hold."You can't and rightfully so, that burden isn't on you to prove. But not being dumbasses we can realize that a Force hold/choke wouldn't hold a teleporter. Just as we realize that people like Agent Smith, Superman and Hancock far exceed what the Force was shown being able to hold/resist, going by the films only. Other SW media, sure, it's far greater. Yoda picked up and slammed a mountain once.
Teleporting out of a force hold is completely different than muscling ones way out of a force hold. As you just mentioned. So why mention it again?
OK we gotta go science here: How much force can Smith exert, full strength I mean?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Teleporting out of a force hold is completely different than muscling ones way out of a force hold. As you just mentioned. So why mention it again?OK we gotta go science here: How much force can Smith exert, full strength I mean?
You missed the point, you're saying someone can't get out of a Force hold because no one did in the films, implying all characters who are held are equal, when they're not. Smith isn't comparable to Padme.
Didn't DDM do the math for you? His punches were causing shock-waves in the 3rd film, iirc.