Originally posted by Nephthys
'I am a Jedi, like my father before me.''Your skills are complete..... indeed you are powerful, as the Emperor has forseen.'
'I am Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight.'
Luke wasn't a Padawan. Plus he's, y'know, Luke mother****ing Skywalker.
oh my lord! Do I really hav2 quote PM lines now:
"Confer on you the rank of jedi knight the council does"-Yoda
"Obi-Wan is ready"- Qui-Gon
Obi-Wan wasn't a padawan either by that same logic.. Both Luke and Obi-Wan were knighted in those movies but neither was knighted till the end of the movies.
So technically Maul and Vader BOTH lost to padawans, but in terms of skills possessed they were beaten by fully trained Knights.
Galen did not 'thrash' Vader at all. Only when he mastered his emotions was he able to overcome him. Gaalen on the other hand did not do this, so had to fight Vader while still pissed off that Vader had killed Juno. He still won though. Both of them are around equal in power to Vader, with both of them being only slighty his superior.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
oh my lord! Do I really hav2 quote PM lines now:"Confer on you the rank of jedi knight the council does"-Yoda
"Obi-Wan is ready"- Qui-Gon
Obi-Wan wasn't a padawan either by that same logic.. Both Luke and Obi-Wan were knighted in those movies but neither was knighted till the end of the movies.
So technically Maul and Vader BOTH lost to padawans, but in terms of skills possessed they were beaten by fully trained Knights.
Obi-Wan was not a Knight until he was one at the end, and is never said to be one beforehand. Luke however, directly refers to himself as a Jedi Knight and is supported in this by Vader and Yoda's ('No more training do you require' 'Then I am a jedi?' 'When you confront Vader, a Jedi will you be.'😉 assessment of him. So yeah, Yoda directly says that when he confronts Vader he'll be a Jedi. Check and Mate.
Even if what you say is true and Luke was never promoted to Knight level, then you do realise that this would make that it that Luke is still a Padawan. Obviously thats bullshit.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
Riiight.But are they equal to one another in every way?
Rather not. 😎
Now you're just nitpicking. They're equal in combat ability, which is what matters in this forum.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Obi-Wan was not a Knight until he was one at the end, and is never said to be one beforehand. Luke however, directly refers to himself as a Jedi Knight and is supported in this by Vader and Yoda's ('No more training do you require' 'Then I am a jedi?' 'When you confront Vader, a Jedi will you be.'😉 assessment of him.Even if what you say is true and Luke was never promoted to Knight level, then you do realise that this would make that it that Luke is still a Padawan. Obviously thats bullshit.
He became a Jedi when he resisted the dark side.. Thats when he says "Im a Jedi" There was no council to confer it upon him. He had to announce it himself.
Before that Yoda denies he's a Jedi:
"Then I am a Jedi"
"No, one thing remains, You Must confront Vader" That was Luke's Trial.
Obi-Wan says earlier in TPM "I am ready for the Trials"
But after killing Maul he was Knighted as confronting a Sith Lord is enough of a trail.
So if your going to stick to your "LOL Maul was defeated by a padawan" bullcrap, then stop being hypocrytical, because SO WAS VADER! Because Theres no evidence anywhere to suggest Luke at that point was better trained than Obi-Wan as of TPM.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Now you're just nitpicking. They're equal in combat ability, which is what matters in this forum.
And no, because both Galen and Gaalen beat Vader, does not automatically make them equal power-wise.
At best it indicates they are on the same tier.
He became a Jedi when he resisted the dark side.. Thats when he says "Im a Jedi" There was no council to confer it upon him. He had to announce it himself.
Before that Yoda denies he's a Jedi:
"Then I am a Jedi"
"No, one thing remains, You Must confront Vader" That was Luke's Trial.
And he did confront Vader. 😐
So when he fought, he was a Jedi knight, because he was confronting him and thus a Jedi as Yoda said.
😐
So if your going to stick to your "LOL Maul was defeated by a padawan" bullcrap, then stop being hypocrytical, because SO WAS VADER! Because Theres no evidence anywhere to suggest Luke at that point was better trained than Obi-Wan as of TPM.
ROTJ Luke >>> TPM Obi-Wan.
Oh my.
Few posts ealier you claimed they are equal in every way.
Not my fault you are wrong.
facepalm
Do you take everything people say on exact words basis? I was speaking casually and in hyperbole. I meant that they were the same power and skillwise, not down to the last thought you nitpicking git.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you take everything people say on exact words basis? I was speaking casually and in hyperbole. I meant that they were the same power and skillwise, not down to the last thought you nitpicking ****.
Spoiler:
You're still wrong though.