Yeah, no. 😬
Originally posted by ares834
Nah. Gaalen has the better feats.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BoB7tS1fOU
Almost effortlessly tossing a Rebel Blockade runner aside! That puts SD redirection to shame. Starts at about 3:00
Rebel Blockade Runners are about a tenth the size of a Star Destroyer iirc. About 150 meters vs 1500 meters. I'm more impressed about that asteroid he smashes just after. Its bigger than the corvette.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And he did confront Vader. 😐So when he fought, he was a Jedi knight, because he was confronting him and thus a Jedi as Yoda said.
Lol so you think the minute he clashed sabers with Vader he became a Jedi. Nope. Wrong.
Someone has to declare him to be a Jedi.. You dnt just become one by default. Yoda declared it upon Obi-Wan after he killed Maul.
Luke declared it on himself after he Successfully confronted Vader and resisted the Dark Side.
Originally posted by Nephthys
ROTJ Luke >>> TPM Obi-Wan.
Thats good, cause Maul never lost a fencing match to Padawan Obi-Wan, whilst Vader DID LOSE a fencing match to Padawan Luke.
End of the day both Sith Lords got beat by padawans (technically).. Even though both padawans were fully trained, but thats meaningless since we're just arguing stupid technicalities here.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Rebel Blockade Runners are about a tenth the size of a Star Destroyer iirc. About 150 meters vs 1500 meters. I'm more impressed about that asteroid he smashes just after. Its bigger than the corvette.
Yes, SD are far bigger however he had gravity helping him out and he wasn't able to completley redriect the falling SD. Furthermore it took all of his effort while here he seems to almost effortlessly toss asied the Runner and he does it with such force it blows up when it hits the broken SD (Which he destroyed by using the force to "supercharge" a turbo laser).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol so you think the minute he clashed sabers with Vader he became a Jedi. Nope. Wrong.Someone has to declare him to be a Jedi.. You dnt just become one by default. Yoda declared it upon Obi-Wan after he killed Maul.
Luke declared it on himself after he Successfully confronted Vader and resisted the Dark Side.
Yoda said only a "Jedi Knight with the force with his ally" could "conquer" Vader.
Furthermore, there is this.
LUKE: Then I am a Jedi?
YODA (shakes his head): Ohhh. Not yet. One thing remains: Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.
When Luke confronted Vader in RotJ he became a Jedi.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
but thats meaningless since we're just arguing stupid technicalities here.
True enough.
Originally posted by ares834
Yoda said only a "Jedi Knight with the force with his ally" could "conquer" Vader.
That was ESB, when he's telling Luke not to run off, but complete his training. And didn't he say "Conquer Vader AND his Emporer".. Im pretty sure he did.
Originally posted by ares834
LUKE: Then I am a Jedi?YODA (shakes his head): Ohhh. Not yet. One thing remains: Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.
When Luke confronted Vader in RotJ he became a Jedi.
So what just confront him for 2 secs then go home, and he's a Jedi by default? Nah. That was Luke's trial, he had to defeat Vader and resist the darkside.
Yes, SD are far bigger however he had gravity helping him out and he wasn't able to completley redriect the falling SD. Furthermore it took all of his effort while here he seems to almost effortlessly toss asied the Runner and he does it with such force it blows up when it hits the broken SD (Which he destroyed by using the force to "supercharge" a turbo laser).
Well they are in zero gravity at the time.
Lol so you think the minute he clashed sabers with Vader he became a Jedi. Nope. Wrong.Someone has to declare him to be a Jedi.. You dnt just become one by default. Yoda declared it upon Obi-Wan after he killed Maul.
Luke declared it on himself after he Successfully confronted Vader and resisted the Dark Side.
I don't see why not. Yoda says 'when you confront Vader' not 'After you've confronted and defeated him and resisted the darkside.' The implication is that when Luke is couragous enough to stand in front of his father as a Jedi and not back down, he'll be an actual Jedi Knight.
Yoda does, saying that when he confronts Vader he'll be a Jedi.
Baseless interpretation. You're pulling that interpretation out of your ass.
Thats good, cause Maul never lost a fencing match to Padawan Obi-Wan, whilst Vader DID LOSE a fencing match to Padawan Luke.End of the day both Sith Lords got beat by padawans (technically).. Even though both padawans were fully trained, but thats meaningless since we're just arguing stupid technicalities here.
Maul lost to Obi-Wan becuase he failed to react to him and becuase frankly he was an utter dumbass and failure. Vader lost because Luke Mother****ing Skywalker went ballistic on him. A little hard to compare the two, don't ya think?
If you think its stupid, why are you still replying?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That was ESB, when he's telling Luke not to run off, but complete his training. And didn't he say "Conquer Vader AND his Emporer".. Im pretty sure he did.
Just checked and you are right. However, in the context of the quote he clearly meant 'either or' not 'both' as Luke at the time wasn't going to challenge the Emporer only Vader. And both Obi-Wan and Yoda are like "well we're ****ed."
So what just confront him for 2 secs then go home, and he's a Jedi by default? Nah. That was Luke's trail, he had to defeat Vader and resist the darkside.
It's not so easy to walk away from a Sith Lord... But Yoda makes it clear when Luke "confronts" not defeats Vader he becomes a Jedi.
But that's exactly what happened. Luke conquered Vader and (indirectly) Darth Sidious. One cannot rightfully rely on one quote out of context. Generally when submitting something as evidence, it is done in conjunction with other supporting evidence to paint a complete picture.
Therefore, for Luke to become a Jedi, he had to face Vader again and overthrow him and Sidious - which of course he did.
What are you talking about? Yoda directly states that when Luke "confronts" Vader he becomes a Jedi. There is no mention of him defeating him nor is their mention of the Emporer or even resisting the dark side. Luke, according to Yoda, became a Jedi when he fully confronted Vader in RotJ. There are no if, ands, or buts about it.
Originally posted by ares834
What are you talking about? Yoda directly states that when Luke "confronts" Vader he becomes a Jedi. There is no mention of him defeating him nor is their mention of the Emporer or even resisting the dark side. Luke, according to Yoda, became a Jedi when he fully confronted Vader in RotJ. There are no if, ands, or buts about it.
Just throwing this out there...
But successful confrontation of another person pretty much means defeating them in one way or another.
Yoda meant that once the job got completed, then, and only then a Jedi will he be.
Originally posted by NowYouRemember
Just throwing this out there...But successful confrontation of another person pretty much means defeating them in one way or another.
Yoda meant that once the job got completed, then, and only then a Jedi will he be.
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Confronting successfully was implied, otherwise what was the point in him confronting him.
Especially when we look at Luke getting tempted by the darkside during his confrontation, its obvious he hadn't successfully passed his trial yet..
Originally posted by axel_jovan
So, maybe some on topic posts now? 🙂Can the team take Sids down?
Not sure how much more powerful DE Sids was to OT Sids.. Apart from the Force storm, but its not like he's gna shoot a Force Storm at these 3 right??