Star Killer Vs Mace Windu

Starkiller employing Juyo/shien Vs. Windu employing vaapad.

Sabers would go to Mace, no question. But Marek could overwhelm him with his Super Saiyan Force attacks.

Mace is strong and skilled enough in the Force to defend himself from being overwhelmed by SK's Force attacks (Maces Force feats are pretty ***king incredible too). And Mace is DEFINITELY the superior swordsman. Mace Windu wins this.

Force = Galen
Sabers/all out = Mace.

Mace takes this.

Starkiller wins IMO.

Originally posted by Galan007
Force = Galen
Sabers/all out = Mace.

Agreed.

Tough fight! I'd love to see this haha

Mace= saber/all-out
Galen=Force

imo

All out I'd say Mace. Close-quarter superior saber skills with a closely-matched Force prowess will give Mace the win more times than not, I feel. Especially if this is Sith Marek, he'll be completing Mace's Vaapad.

Force: Starkiller

Sabers: Mace

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Especially if this is Sith Marek, he'll be completing Mace's Vaapad.

Yeah, using the dark side against Windu is a big no no.

We see in the ROTS novelization that it takes time for Mace to submerge himself in Vaapad; the metaphysical superconducting loop of Vaapad is neither instantaneous nor limitless as demonstrated by the source material; Palpatine, despite enormous disadvantages, took the offensive and drove Mace back into the greater office and Mace, even in the very depths of Vaapad, could only match Palpatine's power (never surpass it).

Mace is unquestionably the more skilled duelist (though Marek is a Juyo master [making him a "high-end master of multiple forms" according to Fight Saber]), due to his prodigious physical attributes, shatterpoint charism, and more extensive dueling/combat experience.

But though Windu is considerably powerful in the Force (something for which he is routinely underestimated), Starkiller's feats dwarf Windu's by several orders of magnitude. Early!Starkiller struggled immensely with Shaak Ti, a Council member who, while enormously skilled, was definitely Windu's inferior.

Later!Starkiller, on the other hand, handily defeated Darth Vader and "tanked" Emperor Palpatine's Force lightning (something Mace Windu didn't do).

If this is early!Starkiller, he probably loses due to Windu's superior skills as a swordsman and not inconsiderable talents as a Force user. Later!Starkiller, on the other hand, enjoys a tremendous advantage in Force powers and I don't believe Windu will have the chance to submerge himself in Vaapad to steal a win.

We should include punctuation marks in names more often.

Originally posted by SlightlyFlaccid
Later!Starkiller, on the other hand, handily defeated Darth Vader and "tanked" Emperor Palpatine's Force lightning (something Mace Windu didn't do).

And the evidence would show Palpatine's Force Lightning being considerably more powerful by the time he fought Starkiller as well.

Early!Starkiller struggled immensely with Shaak Ti, a Council member who, while enormously skilled, was definitely Windu's inferior.

Though she could've gotten better in intervening years.

She did affect an entire planets Force alignment.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And the evidence would show Palpatine's Force Lightning being considerably more powerful by the time he fought Starkiller as well.

Really? Mind expounding on this?

Jinsoku Takai
Really? Mind expounding on this?

He instakills Jedi in Dark Empire, incinerates dark side mages in that one comic in which Vader duels a resurrected Darth Maul, and annihilated ~50 stormtroopers in the comic Betrayal.

But, if I remember correctly, Palpatine's lightning disintegrated a Sith wyrm in Sithisis, so I doubt it increased dramatically.

I think he'd have no problem insta-killing ordinary Jedi in the PT. It's just he almost exclusively fights badasses.

I see Mace winning this after an extremely close duel.