Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ He was more powerful than Vader.So he would seem to be better with the Force than Dooku or Mace, so there can therefore be a case for him challenging and even defeating either of those 2.
He struggled against Shaak Ti however. And Shaak Ti is Kenobi's inferior.
Look at the treatment Kenobi got from Dooku.
^ We dnt know how much Shaak Ti had improved in Sabers by the time of TFU.. And her Force powers on Felucia were certainly impressive.
Also you talk abou the treatment Kenobi got from Dooku, well that was with the Force and Starkiller has much better Force feats than Dooku.
But if you want to use A>B>C, then how about this: Starkiller defeated Vader who defeated Kenobi : )
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ We dnt know how much Shaak Ti had improved in Sabers by the time of TFU.. And her Force powers on Felucia were certainly impressive.Also you talk abou the treatment Kenobi got from Dooku, well that was with the Force and Starkiller has much better Force feats than Dooku.
But if you want to use A>B>C, then how about this: Starkiller defeated Vader who defeated Kenobi : )
YOu mean when Kenobi wanted to die or did you mean when both of them were in their primes.. and Kenobi mauled Vader so he couldn't even live without his suit?
When was Vader's prime then? We know it wasn't after because he was damaged so bad.. that he could never have a prime after that point. So.. the prime vader did have was certainly during Episode 2 or 3 and clearly it should be 3 as he even mentions in 3 his skills are far better than 2. Thus.. if Vader did have a prime it was during Episode 3 and that Vader got beat...
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou're thinking about Anakin's physical prime, when his muscles were most taut.
When was Vader's prime then? We know it wasn't after because he was damaged so bad.. that he could never have a prime after that point. So.. the prime vader did have was certainly during Episode 2 or 3 and clearly it should be 3 as he even mentions in 3 his skills are far better than 2. Thus.. if Vader did have a prime it was during Episode 3 and that Vader got beat...
Vader's prime in terms of Force prowess was during his time in his suit. Somewhere around the OT apparently. If not, then TFU.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNo, because in Star Wars your body may be able to benchpress 250, but Palpatine couldn't summon a Force Storm when he was in his 30's. In fact, in the case of Anakin/Vader, Vader may have been lacking physical mobility, but the 45 year old cyborg could exert much more power with his cybernetics than his 22 year old self. He could also exert more power through the Force, as that comes with experience not muscle mass.
Typically when we speak of prime we're talking about physical prime... not mental prime or any other variable really. So, when someone says their prime.. we all know that means physical prime.. and thus.. I was spot on correct?
Originally posted by dadudemonNo they're not, one of the greatest discrepancies. But considering this is an EU forum...
I still say that in both force and skills, he reached his max in the PT before being Darth Mauled.I consider the EU separate...cause it is.
If you look at some of the force abilities Vadar uses in the OT...they are not very impressive compared to his EU exploits.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But considering this is an EU forum...
I consider them separate because they are, by GL himself.
His EU force feats are incongruous with his OT feats.
Why did I bring that up?
Lemme explain: someone said, earlier, something about Vader beating Obi-Wan.
That version of Vader was obviously much slower and less skilled, with sabers, than his younger version.
BUT NOT SO IN THE EU!
Meaning...we shouldn't really be using that version of Vader to back up a particular opinion because of this:
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But considering this is an EU forum...
It's beautiful, right?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Double quote whaa? Anyways, EU forum means all versions are taken in to account, movie and otherwise. May the discrepancies drive you mad.
I know. This is the place I made my first posts. cry
My point was actually agreeing with you.
I used a portion of your post to drive home the ultimate point: this is the EU forum. Meaning, using one version that has a retardedly low showing won't fly. The "separate" comment was why it's rediculous to try and rationalize both sides.
Starkiller's Force prowess keeps getting brought up as if it's the end all be all of any combat situation between him and Mace Windu (who is in a whole other league in terms of lightsaber prowess). Some of you people are forgetting that Mace Windu's Force showings are VERY VERY impressive as well. And while Starkiller might have a very s l i g h t edge in this department, it is by no means a whitewash. Remember this:
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It's canon.