Who can beat current Madara?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yup, you've regressed into a tantrum, by this point. Name calling, backpeddling, and excessive adjectives.

I'm quite comfortable with how soundly I've destroyed you.

You should at lest admit you were wrong, though.

I accept your concession. You still failed to point out one flaw in my argument. Here's your last chance. Either give an example of something in my argument not making sense, or being false/inaccurate, or just admit that you've lost already.

"This is the speed of light - 149,896.2 km/half second.

Roshi and Krillin threw several punches and kicks in 1/5th of a second while still toying around. They had power levels of less than a hundred each(Roshi used only 3 quarters of his power until he fought Goku, as he stated in the manga). Now, Frieza used only 6 million of his PL to stomp Vegeta. So, it would take Frieza less than a 3 millionth of a second(or 0.000003 seconds) to throw a punch AT THE MOST. Now, since Goku traveled there as Frieza threw the punch, and got there before it landed, Goku traveled there in a 3 millionth of a second AT LEAST.

So, to calculate the speed, we use the speed of light(in km) per second, which is 299,792.4 km/second. Now, we take the distance of Namek, 140,028 km, and we divide it by two because Goku only traveled half of it, which means he traveled 70,014 km. So, we can say he traveled 70,014 km in 0.000003 seconds. Now, we take the amount of time multiplied by one million, then divided by three to simplify it to one second. Now, we do the same to the distance. This makes Goku able to travel 23,338,000,000 km per second in the Frieza saga easily in base without Kaioken and with a power level of 3 million(according to the Daizenshuu). That is over 77,847.2 times faster than the speed of light, FYI. "

This is a pointless debate. You accusing me of name-calling, *backpedaling, and "excessive adjectives", already subconsciously admits that you have nothing to counter me with.

You lose. Deal with it. 😆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Statements in DBZ are typically more valid than displays

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, especially not when they're from the back of the manga and stated nowhere on panel. 👆

Yeah, I guess that it being written by Akira Toriyama himself accounts for nothing either. Especially when, you know, he wouldn't have written "on the other side of the planet", if he didn't mean "the other side of the planet". 👆

http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Vol-10/dp/1569319391#reader_B00FDZEEAE

Go to the picture, and look at the second page.

Toriyama is credited for the story and art, but the covers? Nope.

The mangaka is not the only person behind the published manga, you know.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You have got to be the most retarded person on this site.

I already stated that Namek wasn't 10 times larger than Earth in my first post. Using that isn't helping your argument, only making you look stupid by dodging my question.

I said Namek was 10 times larger than Earth, not five, I was simply accounting for the fact he flew from one side of the planet to the other by dividing the factor by two, retard. 😆 😆 😆

Are you insinuating that 200,040 is not 135% of 149,896.2? Divide 200,040 by 149,896.2. It gets 1.35(rounded), i.e. it is 135% of 149,896.2, or in otherwords, 35 percent bigger. Again, I rounded off the top of my head, only being 10 percent off.

I also find it hilarious that you've been talking about the first few sentences of my post and ignored the rest so far. I stated I was using the wrong variables in the same post, to make a point. That you were, and still are, wrong. Hilariously wrong, and your math has been incorrect in 90% of your posts, which I have already proven.

If you're not wrong, then find an actual flaw with the rest of my post. Here it is for you.

P.S. I'm better that you too... lol

Originally posted by Impediment
Cool it, SSJGGogeta and NemeBro.

Christ on his cross! Can't people have a debate without name calling?

Stop it and calm down!

Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Vol-10/dp/1569319391#reader_B00FDZEEAE

Go to the picture, and look at the second page.

Toriyama is credited for the story and art, but the covers? Nope.

The mangaka is not the only person behind the published manga, you know.

Who said anything about the cover drawings? Akira Toriyama wrote a lot of the back-cover summary's for DB and DBZ. He even drew a lot of the covers. Someone else drawing the cover has nothing to do with the manga summary. The only thing the cover artists do is draw the cover pictures.

Akira Toriayama comes up with the manga summaries on the back(at least most of them), and in the Kanzenban re-release he wrote them all, with it saying the same thing about Goku flying from one side of Namek to the other.

You're still not really saying anything. Akira wrote the manga summary, and no matter what, still reviews the manga's before he releases them, including the manga summaries on the back. If you find something legitimately suggesting otherwise, please post it.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Who said anything about the cover drawings? Akira Toriyama wrote a lot of the back-cover summary's for DB and DBZ. He even drew a lot of the covers. Someone else drawing the cover has nothing to do with the manga summary. The only thing the cover artists do is draw the cover pictures.

Akira Toriayama comes up with the manga summaries on the back(at least most of them), and in the Kanzenban re-release he wrote them all, with it saying the same thing about Goku flying from one side of Namek to the other.

You're still not really saying anything. Akira wrote the manga summary, and no matter what, still reviews the manga's before he releases them, including the manga summaries on the back. If you find something legitimately suggesting otherwise, please post it.

Can you prove that Toriyama wrote that piece, and perhaps more importantly, that it isn't a mistranslation?

Since, you know, it is directly contradicted by both the art and the dialogue of the manga proper.

Originally posted by Badabing
Impediment already posted to you:
The nest time you flame, bash, troll, etc it will be a warning. Stop the nonsense. Thank you.

Why the big concern with trolls? I think they're pretty funny... Anyway, I find it comical that you judge my posts as "nonsense", and then warn me to stop bashing. Real nice. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
Can you prove that Toriyama wrote that piece, and perhaps more importantly, that it isn't a mistranslation?

Since, you know, it is directly contradicted by both the art and the dialogue of the manga proper.

Can you prove that he didn't?

Since, you know, it elaborates two vague points in the manga. Goku has ran a million kilometers. 70 thousand isn't a lot for him. The artwork was admittedly very sloppy on that page. Even you have to admit it doesn't make any sense for Vegeta to be bigger than the island Porunga was on, or to see Namek's curvature.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Why the big concern with trolls? I think they're pretty funny... Anyway, I find it comical that you judge my posts as "nonsense", and then warn me to stop bashing. Real nice. 👆

I know right? It's like he thinks it is a mods job to be fair and try to keep things civil around here.

ohwaitaminute...

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Why the big concern with trolls? I think they're pretty funny... Anyway, I find it comical that you judge my posts as "nonsense", and then warn me to stop bashing. Real nice. 👆

I'm going to assume you've learned your lesson and will be a better KMC citizen. Otherwise it will be another ban. 😉

Originally posted by Badabing
Your posts are nonsense because your debate can't stand on its own merits, you have to resort to bashing/trolling/flaming/etc. You've been here a little over 2 months and already have a temp ban, a warnings and have been reported multiple times. Now you're trying to antagonize a mod. Not a good start.

I'm going to assume you've learned your lesson and will be a better KMC citizen. Otherwise it will be another ban. 😉

What is this, the ****ing Hunger Games?

I resort to bashing/trolling/flaming because I can't tolerate stupid people. You for instance, claim that my debate can't stand on it's own merits, when you, as a moderator, have no place saying something like that without posting evidence or supporting your opinion. If my argument is so faulty, then please, by all means, try to disprove it.

Trying to intimidate someone into listening to you with your title proves to everyone on here that you probably have a small dick, and definitely want to kill yourself. Otherwise, why would you try to overcompensate so much?

Your post is riddled with ignorance and criticism of something you know nothing about. If you want to try proving me wrong, then don't resort to banning me because you can't hold your own in a forum you moderate, and would prefer to do exactly what you claim to punish people for - bashing. I didn't antagonize anyone, I simply defended myself from a bashing keyboard warrior on a power-trip.

Just get back to whacking it in your moms basement. I don't have time to waste on internet tough guys who abuse their position of authority because they can't stand their own lives and need an escape from their own pitifully sad lives. You act like me getting temp banned will ruin my life, lol.

Go ahead, temp ban me. It's not going to do anything to me, and it's not going to make your life any better. 👆

Originally posted by AuraAngel
I know right? It's like he thinks it is a mods job to be fair and try to keep things civil around here.

ohwaitaminute...

Finally, someone gets it! It's like it's a mods job to set an example for other posters and not abuse their title by bashing and doing other things they "punish" people for!

ohwaitaminute...

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Finally, someone gets it! It's like it's a mods job to set an example for other posters and not abuse their title by bashing and doing other things they "punish" people for!

ohwaitaminute...

Because mods abuse their title when they discipline those who quite clearly break forum rules.

Not that it matters. Your last post to him would suitably qualify has bashing and flaming so you're probably getting a temp ban.

Keep in mind I have no dog in this fight. Merely observing a mod trying to keep things civil while others would rather it not be.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Can you prove that he didn't?

I do not think you know how burden of proof works.

Since, you know, it elaborates two vague points in the manga.

So vague in fact that Vegeta could see the island Porunga was being summoned from, and Goku said they were "not far" (Which is a pretty strange thing to say when apparently it was the other side of the planet), not to mention that it apparently takes two hours for Krillin to reach Guru's home, much less weaklings like Dende. Yet you think that when Krillin said "let's take the Dragon Balls here", he was saying that on the other side of planet Namek?

The answer is no, of course.

Goku has ran a million kilometers. 70 thousand isn't a lot for him.

It took him a day to do that.

The artwork was admittedly very sloppy on that page. Even you have to admit it doesn't make any sense for Vegeta to be bigger than the island Porunga was on, or to see Namek's curvature.

The evidence does not support your conclusion.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What is this, the ****ing Hunger Games?

I resort to bashing/trolling/flaming because I can't tolerate stupid people. You for instance, claim that my debate can't stand on it's own merits, when you, as a moderator, have no place saying something like that without posting evidence or supporting your opinion. If my argument is so faulty, then please, by all means, try to disprove it.

Trying to intimidate someone into listening to you with your title proves to everyone on here that you probably have a small dick, and definitely want to kill yourself. Otherwise, why would you try to overcompensate so much?

Your post is riddled with ignorance and criticism of something you know nothing about. If you want to try proving me wrong, then don't resort to banning me because you can't hold your own in a forum you moderate, and would prefer to do exactly what you claim to punish people for - bashing. I didn't antagonize anyone, I simply defended myself from a bashing keyboard warrior on a power-trip.

Just get back to whacking it in your moms basement. I don't have time to waste on internet tough guys who abuse their position of authority because they can't stand their own lives and need an escape from their own pitifully sad lives. You act like me getting temp banned will ruin my life, lol.

Go ahead, temp ban me. It's not going to do anything to me, and it's not going to make your life any better. 👆

You just ****ed with the wrong raptor.😐

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Because mods abuse their title when they discipline those who quite clearly break forum rules.

Not that it matters. Your last post to him would suitably qualify has bashing and flaming so you're probably getting a temp ban.

Keep in mind I have no dog in this fight. Merely observing a mod trying to keep things civil while others would rather it not be.

Oh yeah, I'm not being hostile to you either(fyi). I admit I broke the rules, but that's grounds for a warning, not ban(at least not yet). Then, he instigated me to post an agitated(yet still civil, I didn't bash, troll or name call) reply to his arrogant response.

I hope he banned me. It'll just prove me right.

I wasn't being hostile. I wasn't threatening, or really even bashing, anyone(at least not recently).

When did I bash or flame him? I didn't.

Also, the mods are supposed to set an example by not bashing others, but that's exactly what he did. Just because you can punish others for doing something, doesn't mean you should do it yourself. If I saw a cop doing cocaine, he would go to prison. This guy deserves a ban as much as I do. No matter what, it's a matter of perspective though, and as I've learned, everyone on this site it too close-minded or stupid to accept anything as fact/truth other than what they believe, even when blatantly disproven.

So... In short, mind your own business, if you don't mind. I don't care about your opinion on this matter(that solely involves me). I'm fine with debating against you any time though.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You just ****ed with the wrong raptor.😐

*sigh* I know... I'm no good at holding my tongue- or... fingers.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I do not think you know how burden of proof works.

So vague in fact that Vegeta could see the island Porunga was being summoned from, and Goku said they were "not far" (Which is a pretty strange thing to say when apparently it was the other side of the planet), not to mention that it apparently takes two hours for Krillin to reach Guru's home, much less weaklings like Dende. Yet you think that when Krillin said "let's take the Dragon Balls here", he was saying that on the other side of planet Namek?

The answer is no, of course.

It took him a day to do that.

The evidence does not support your conclusion.

I posted a scan, the validity of which you questioned, and you ask me to prove it's true, when it's a part of the cannon manga, and you can't disprove it. I know exactly what burden of proof means.

Krillin was flying slowly while also concealing his ki from Vegeta. Same with Gohan. However, they flew to an island on the other side of the planet at full speed when summoning Porunga.

The conclusion is that Frieza's ship is on the other side of the planet, opposite to where Porunga was summoned. The evidence being 1. Vegeta is not bigger than an island, and 2. It was stated by the author in the summary.

It took him a day to do that without a break, while also being exhausted from training with king Kai, lack of nourishment, and not being accustomed to flying. Goku was very weak when doing that, and hungry. When he's hungry, he has been shown to be barely half as strong.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
[B]I resort to bashing/trolling/flaming because I can't tolerate stupid people.

Since you started with this, while arguing against a mod ruling I'm guessing no amount of "banning will just prove my point" will save you. If I was a mod just entering this thread you'd be banned already just for this line 🙁

Don't ever resort to bashing. It is that simple.