Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Also I never found it believable in S1 how MJ fell for Parker saying "I love you Peter, I love you so much".. How and when did that happen? Never made sense to me.
Considering they grew up next door to each other and Peter Parker was always there for her when her father abused her and had her back at school...seems pretty obvious why she fell for him: she pulled her head out.
I actually liked this version better. I don't see how the effects are worse, to me they look better compared to the 2002 movie. I like this actor better than Tobey. This one just made for a better movie in my opinion ._. I don't see why people didn't like it. Was it the love story? I don't get why people didn't like it...
Originally posted by dadudemon
Considering they grew up next door to each other and Peter Parker was always there for her when her father abused her and had her back at school...seems pretty obvious why she fell for him: she pulled her head out.
They grew up next door to each other but he never talked to her.
And there was no interaction in the film that makes you believe the hot chick would suddenly fall so madly in love with the nerd.
Issues completely rectified in this new version.
Originally posted by Han_Shot_First
I actually liked this version better. I don't see how the effects are worse, to me they look better compared to the 2002 movie. I like this actor better than Tobey. This one just made for a better movie in my opinion ._. I don't see why people didn't like it. Was it the love story? I don't get why people didn't like it...
I think there's just not much hype for a Spider-man reboot in the middle of The Avengers and TDKR (which is something I was worried about earlier in this thread).
Also a lot of the criticisms are about it being a repeat of S1, even though I feel it was completely different.
I'm guessing a sequel will do much better. No one will be able to call it a repeat of anything (I doubt they are going to use Dr. Octopus) but it will be a Spidey sequel with a much better portrayed Parker and Spiderman.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They grew up next door to each other but he never talked to her.
He did.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And there was no interaction in the film that makes you believe the hot chick would suddenly fall so madly in love with the nerd.
Except for this fact:
Peter Parker was always there for her when her father abused her and had her back at school
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Issues completely rectified in this new version.
So you like the new movie better? Cool. 👆
Originally posted by dadudemon
He did.
So you missed the part where he can't even talk to her. Harry tells him to go talk to her, but he can't do it. So Harry talks to her instead.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Except for this fact:Peter Parker was always there for her when her father abused her and had her back at school
Not sure where your getting these "facts" from.
In the movie when we see MJ walk out to the backyard after her dad shouts at her she says "I guess you always hear that". Parker says something like "no it's fine, my aunt and uncle shout too.." A clear implication that they've never discussed her dad's abusive nature before.
The love story wasn't realistic.
Yeah. Wasn't Mary Jane even unsure about his name at one point?
Anyway...
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah theater wasn't packed, but then it wasn't packed for Batman Begins either, but look at the hype now for the third installment.So basically I couldn't care less how packed the Theater is, I just wanted a good Spidey film which I finally have.
Since then I've hear it has been doing fairly decent though and was on it's way fr over 100 mil before the week ends. So maybe the fourth is just a good day to go.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The fight scenes were miles better, Parker and Spidey were portrayed miles better, the love story was miles better, everything was better Imo.
I'll agree that the love story is better and that when we finally got to the big action scene (the school) it was great.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So you missed the part where he can't even talk to her. Harry tells him to go talk to her, but he can't do it. So Harry talks to her instead.
Did you miss the part where they talked about being kids?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not sure where your getting these "facts" from.
Pizzaboxes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Did you miss the part where they talked about being kids?
MJ and Parker talked about when they were kids?? Yeah I did miss that. Makes no sense then that he couldn't talk to her and watched Harry talk to her instead.
Originally posted by Mindset
Better than all the other Spiderman movies put together.I jerked it big time.
Same. Good job we wern't in the same cinema.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
MJ and Parker talked about when they were kids?? Yeah I did miss that. Makes no sense then that he couldn't talk to her and watched Harry talk to her instead.
Kids: no attraction.
Adults or nearing adulthood: attraction.
There's your difference.
Here's the cliché/stereotype: as a kid, you could talk to anyone, right? But when you were awkward in highschool, it was tough to talk to hot chicks, right? Same thing with Peter Parker.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but Digi surely you must see the hype was huge for that movie because it was the first time we saw Spidey on the big screen. The hype for this one was never going to compare.
Hype alone does nothing. Hollywood is littered with movie corpses as examples. For a movie to be successful it also needs word of mouth (i.e. needs to be good).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ah but thing is Digi it's all going somewhere. He's going to regret that decision.
I realize that. I'm not unfamiliar with Spider-Man lore. I was merely comparing the two on their dramatic impact, because there are near-identical "I can't be with you" scenes. And this one unequivocally hits less hard. And I still think the scene from 1 is a perfect encapsulation of Pete's internal struggle with his decisions. When he says "I'm Spider-Man" as the movie's final line, it's not just a cliche way to end the film. It's an answer to the silent question of why he didn't stay with MJ...an answer he stoically maintains until the choice is taken from him in 2.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And I have to disagree with you and Digi in that I think this was miles and miles better than Ramai's Spiderman 1.The fight scenes were miles better, Parker and Spidey were portrayed miles better, the love story was miles better, everything was better Imo.
Fight scenes are a product of the technology. No argument there; Raimi had less to work with. And though I usually loathe 3D, Spider-Man is a character that's absolutely made for it. Worth the extra couple of dollars in this case.
As I said, I'm not going to think hard enough to determine a "better or worse" between the films. It's natural for us but ultimately fruitless. I really, really enjoyed all but 3. And I have a feeling that if 3 had never happened, there would be a gigantic public outcry that they got rid of Raimi. The fact that 3 poisoned public goodwill overshadowed how much people embraced the first 2.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Kids: no attraction.Adults or nearing adulthood: attraction.
There's your difference.
Here's the cliché/stereotype: as a kid, you could talk to anyone, right? But when you were awkward in highschool, it was tough to talk to hot chicks, right? Same thing with Peter Parker.
That's fine. Just point me to the scene/line where they said they used to be such good friends as kids.
From what the movie showed, they didn't talk at the beginning of the film, had a few interactions as Parker and MJ in the movie, but absolutely nothing was shown as to why MJ was so in love with him by the end of the film.
That's just my opinion anyway.
I also feel Green Goblin was forced in that movie just for the sake of having a super villain. There was no spectacular fight between Spidey and Goblin to make him worth being in the movie.
And his Origin just seemed too random and unrelated to Spidey's. But because the audience accepted that they carried on the random unrelated origins in Spiderman 3 which just destroyed that movie.
Like I said it's just how I felt about S1(and S3 just destroyed the trilogy for me), so I was happy for the reboot. And nicely surprised at how everything comes together in it and how all the relationships work and make sense this time around.
Originally posted by Digi
Hype alone does nothing. Hollywood is littered with movie corpses as examples. For a movie to be successful it also needs word of mouth (i.e. needs to be good).
It does sometimes. Look at the success of Transformers 2 and the Last Indiana Jones. Not exactly the best movies in the world.
Whilst movies as Quality as Batman Begins and X-Men First Class both made considerably less than 400mill worldwide simply because of the lack of hype and excitement for them.
So that's my point you can't really compare how people feel about S1 and TAS in their respective time periods, when S1 had the hype and excitement of say Transformers 2 (or possibly Avengers), whilst TAS excitement being a fourth movie and a reboot is more comparable to Batman Begins. (Not to mention being surrounded by probably the 2 biggest superhero movies of all time).
Anyway like I said it's just my opinion as a Spider-man fan I was never too impressed with S1 (it was ok up to catching Uncle Ben's killer and I liked how his powers were portrayed) but just found many many holes in it.
I was expecting something much closer to TAS for Spidey's first outing, and personally think if this movie was made then, it would have absolutely killed it at the box office (as in beat SW Episode 1 and Harry Potter).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It does sometimes. Look at the success of Transformers 2 and the Last Indiana Jones. Not exactly the best movies in the world.Whilst movies as Quality as Batman Begins and X-Men First Class both made considerably less than 400mill worldwide simply because of the lack of hype and excitement for them.
So that's my point you can't really compare how people feel about S1 and TAS in their respective time periods, when S1 had the hype and excitement of say Transformers 2 (or possibly Avengers), whilst TAS excitement being a fourth movie and a reboot is more comparable to Batman Begins. (Not to mention being surrounded by probably the 2 biggest superhero movies of all time).
Anyway like I said it's just my opinion as a Spider-man fan I was never too impressed with S1 (it was ok up to catching Uncle Ben's killer and I liked how his powers were portrayed) but just found many many holes in it.
I was expecting something much closer to TAS for Spidey's first outing, and personally think if this movie was made then, it would have absolutely killed it at the box office (as in beat SW Episode 1 and Harry Potter).
There's a little bit of post-diction going on here. SM1 was expected to do about 1/2 of what it did on its opening weekend, and the same in total. These were predictions from industry experts at the time, who make these predictions for a living. It was successful because of word of mouth, and was actually a good movie. SM2 was similarly praised. If 3 hadn't happened, people would be calling for Marvel's head on a platter for firing Raimi.
Of course you can find exceptions. But that doesn't prove the rule.
This movie couldn't have been made then, the technology for a lot of it was not advanced enough.
And as you'll note, I still haven't compared the two. I'm not sure why you feel the need to.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's fine. Just point me to the scene/line where they said they used to be such good friends as kids.From what the movie showed, they didn't talk at the beginning of the film, had a few interactions as Parker and MJ in the movie, but absolutely nothing was shown as to why MJ was so in love with him by the end of the film.
23 minutes in. 😐
Originally posted by DigiAnd as you'll note, I still haven't compared the two. I'm not sure why you feel the need to.
I thought that's what you were doing when you said this movie didn't give you and audiences that same overwhelming feeling the first one did.
I know critics gave it excellent reviews and I know kids took their families to watch it again an again. But I personally don't think word of mouth among adult movie fans was overwhelming like it was for The Dark Knight for instance.
Originally posted by dadudemon
23 minutes in. 😐
Which scene? Dialogue?
Originally posted by Robtard
Probably cos he was brilliant, funny and stood up for those that couldn't stand up for themselves, even if it meant getting punched in the face. You know, stuff we saw in the film.
Beginning of the movie she was with Flash, middle- Harry (but she had a huge infactuation for Spiderman). But what happened in the middle of all that exactly for her to suddenly be so overwhelmingly in love with Peter Parker??
Do you get what I'm saying?
ok just got back from seeing this..
Sony obviously talked to Christopher Nolan since this new film is based/grounded in reality and a darker tone..
gripes..
absolutely hated Spiderman being demasked especially
Spoiler:..
when Capt. Stacy found out and then helped him against the Lizard
didn't care for Sheen's and Field's take on Uncle Ben and Aunt May..
also hated that Uncle Ben didn't say "With great power comes great responsibility"
clearly Sony grave robbed their own product since their are similarities between Curt Connors/Lizard and Otto Octavious/Doc Ock..
The Spidey suit was definitely a reference to when Ben Reilly took over as spiderman which was good I thought..
another gripe, really, I mean really Sony
Spoiler:, that was bullshiite right there and then
the web shooters not working in water
Spoiler:...
when Spidey was shot twice, so much for his Spidey sense
Garfield/Stone slightly better than Maguire/Dunst..
the mystery man is no doubt Norman Osborn as it was clearly raining and thunder and lightning so highly doubtful the mystery turns out to be Quentin Beck or The Jackal..
I can only give this a 6.2/10 however that might change in a week or two when I re watch this again