Originally posted by King Kandy
I think the shooting vs bombing angle is a red herring. That certainly wasn't a big factor in my speculation. Was it big to other people? I know cases of christians bombing, and I know cases of muslims shooting. It doesn't mean a thing.
My first guess was Gaddafi's revenge. Weird, I know.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
By the way, the 2008 Mumbai attacks included shooting. That was before the Fort Hood incident.
it's who was being shot at though
targeting a camp of a specific political party suggest being upset with specific local policies rather than the more broad scope associated with Islamist militants.
Like i did'nt see this coming
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/07/oslo-r18-and-default-media-finger-pointing/
Originally posted by inimalist
actually, the gun assault on the island doesn't really match Muslim MO, and is much more comparable to other right wing and local motivated violence
Muslims arn麓t usually this efficient, 96 odd people killed by one man who survived!!
Muslims normally blow themselves up and take a few with them.
On a kills per person scale this crackpot wins hand down.
Originally posted by KazenjiGood.
Like i did'nt see this cominghttp://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/07/oslo-r18-and-default-media-finger-pointing/
So much bullshit out there that I doubt most people even bother listening to the news any more, they know it's shit, even the news media report about media bias because that's what people are talking about. Not to mention anything they hear or read will just be contradicted or criticised by something online.
I hope this story gets as much coverage as possible, because it's so obvious that "the war on terror" won't do anything about it.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Like i did'nt see this cominghttp://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/07/oslo-r18-and-default-media-finger-pointing/
It's so obvious, we just ban all video games and heavy metal music so all these problems go away.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Muslims arn麓t usually this efficient, 96 odd people killed by one man who survived!!Muslims normally blow themselves up and take a few with them.
On a kills per person scale this crackpot wins hand down.
Thats not one of the big things that tipped me off, no, but it is true
though, I could imagine there are many more of these right-wing style plots that screw up than are successful, and you never hear much about them because they aren't Muslim terrorists
that being said, the failure rate of islamist terror is directly related to the types and motives behind their attacks, so who knows
Originally posted by Deadline
I thought Oklahoma straight away.
indeed, but blowing up a car bomb in front of a building could literally be anyone, muslims included (Norway is an active NATO member)
Originally posted by Deadline
Sorry when I mean homegrown I mean neo-nazi, white christian fundiementalist.
why wouldn't you consider domestic islamist terrorism home grown?
its motivations share more in common with other domestic terrorism than it does with international jihad (imho, I suppose I'm nowhere close to an expert on this)
Originally posted by inimalist
why wouldn't you consider domestic islamist terrorism home grown?its motivations share more in common with other domestic terrorism than it does with international jihad (imho, I suppose I'm nowhere close to an expert on this)
Yea thats homegrown as well I just think it would be more likely for white people to do it in Norway.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea thats homegrown as well I just think it would be more likely for white people to do it in Norway.
by sheer statistical probability, sure
though, an argument could easily be made the other way. it's not like there are no grievances between Norway and either international or domestic Islamist groups, even al zawahari has threatened them, and such attacks aren't unheard of in scandanavia
Originally posted by inimalist
why wouldn't you consider domestic islamist terrorism home grown?its motivations share more in common with other domestic terrorism than it does with international jihad (imho, I suppose I'm nowhere close to an expert on this)
Originally posted by King Kandy
That was my guess. I never for a moment thought it was Al Qaeda or anything. I assumed it was Norwegian muslims who were responsible.
tbh, I thought so too, until info about the island shooting started coming out
I honestly thought the oil ministry was one of the major targets in the bombing, which seems not to be the case
Originally posted by inimalist
by sheer statistical probability, sure
Yea theres that.
Originally posted by inimalist
though, an argument could easily be made the other way. it's not like there are no grievances between Norway and either international or domestic Islamist groups, even al zawahari has threatened them, and such attacks aren't unheard of in scandanavia
Sweden and Denmark aren't like Norway eg Sweden and Denmark have stronger neo-nazi groups, they are also more culturaly diverse. Islamic terrorists are more likely to target US or UK. An Islamic terrorist in Norway would have to be homegrown but I think this is more likely in Sweden or Denmark for reasons given.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That was my guess. I never for a moment thought it was Al Qaeda or anything. I assumed it was Norwegian muslims who were responsible.
I didn't think it was muslims period.
Originally posted by Deadline
Sweden and Denmark aren't like Norway eg Sweden and Denmark have stronger neo-nazi groups, they are also more culturaly diverse. Islamic terrorists are more likely to target US or UK. An Islamic terrorist in Norway would have to be homegrown but I think this is more likely in Sweden or Denmark for reasons given.
sure, Muslim terrorism is more likely in other places, the entirety of my point is that a carbomb in front of government buildings in Norway is consistent with the MO of a large number of "types" of terrorists, one such group being islamists. until details of the shooting started coming out, there was really no way to guess who it was based solely on the bombing, so it is hardly surprising people jumped on the idea of it be islamists (of course, most should have said they didn't know rather than reporting their "gut instinct"馃槈
though, of course, this is no excuse for the "experts" who kept saying it was AQ even after the media had released the demographic info about the shooter (though, they should have known after the info about him targeting the labour party specifically).