Lord Marvel vs. Onslaught

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
galactus and the abstracts didnt try to sever that connection because they had their hands full with the galactus-engine, they didnt attack Marvel directly but onslaught will

if Marvel has powerful psychical powers then maybe Onslaught can absorb him, would you say he's more powerful than Franklin Richards?

Franklin Richards is irrelevent, as Onlsaught had his power per say..but didnt display anything like the power Franklin can muster.

lets see: Onslaught physically humbled the Juggernaut, so is he more physically imposing than Marvel? he mentally cut off Nate from the mystic plane, so can he replicate the feat against Marvel?

also, not every psychic can access the astral plane, Onslaught can dump Marvel there and destroy with his superior psyche or throw a wurmhole at him. he has many options

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
[B]lets see: Onslaught physically humbled the Juggernaut, so is he more physically imposing than Marvel? he mentally cut off Nate from the mystic plane, so can he replicate the feat against Marvel?

also, not every psychic can access the astral plane, Onslaught can dump Marvel there and destroy with his superior psyche or throw a wurmhole at him. he has many options

The Astral Plane is everywhere, Onslaught could easily engage Mar-Vell on the Astral Plane, he had other heroes thinking that they were doing things that they weren't, and as far as psychic feats are concerned Onslaught's trump Mar-Vell's.

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
lets see: Onslaught physically humbled the Juggernaut, so is he more physically imposing than Marvel? he mentally cut off Nate from the mystic plane, so can he replicate the feat against Marvel?

also, not every psychic can access the astral plane, Onslaught can dump Marvel there and destroy with his superior psyche or throw a wurmhole at him. he has many options

I agree, you have to be one hell of a powerful character to physically dominate the Juggernaut to to the point that he was in fear for his life. this is something that has never happened to classic Juggs.

i was under the impression he arrived through the fault, never saw any other dimension hoping

Onslaught manhandled the Juggernaut and was only affected by one of the strongest Hulks. Marvel was pummeled by Thanos, he's still inferior physically

anyways, why would it be impossible for Mar-vell to be pulled into the astral plane? he has psychic powers after all, and as far as i know he never blocked anyone from sending him there. since they are fighting in a neutral ground the astral plane won't be infected by the cancergods. Onslaught defeated the mental defenses of the Hulk, twice!

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
i was under the impression he arrived through the fault, never saw any other dimension hoping

Onslaught manhandled the Juggernaut and was only affected by one of the strongest Hulks. Marvel was pummeled by Thanos, he's still inferior physically

anyways, why would it be impossible for Mar-vell to be pulled into the astral plane? he has psychic powers after all, and as far as i know he never blocked anyone from sending him there. since they are fighting in a neutral ground the astral plane won't be infected by the cancergods. Onslaught defeated the mental defenses of the Hulk, twice!

Marvell dimension hopped from 616 earth to the cancerverse when Thanos killed Drax

Onslaught only threw Juggernaut(confirmed by at least 3 bios) and it was horseshit to boot as Juggs never has the gem on him. Thanos is above the Hulk Onslaught faced so whats your point? you must be forgetting that Thanos was the Avatar of Death and his power came from Death herself as he was a extension of Death.

Oh i see because its on neutral ground Marvell wont be empowered 😂 thats his power source. Neutral ground doesnt work like that, because if it did Marvell would be powerless and that means its a spite thread

imo Marvel dimension hoped partly because he was close to the fault so he teleported inside his universe as you would inside a single universe. i dont think that makes him a dimensional traveler

also the astral plane is not a physical plane like the cancerverse, when i was commenting that the cancer gods wouldnt be there, was because i assumed they contaminated the astral plane somehow but i was incorrect as Cosmo and the green girl used psychic powers without being hindered later on. straight combat in the astral plane goes to Onslaught imo

Thanos may be stronger than regular Hulk, but the version that breached Onslaught armor was ultra-strong. also, Mar-vell couldn't fight Thanos properly, he got completely handled as if he was a weakling, i dont see why we should assume hes Juggernaut/Hulk level

Originally posted by Nihilist
*sigh* i see you ignored my post to try to get your point across.

Marvell dimension hopped from 616 earth to the cancerverse when Thanos killed Drax

Onslaught only threw Juggernaut(confirmed by at least 3 bios) and it was horseshit to boot as Juggs never has the gem on him. Thanos is above the Hulk Onslaught faced so whats your point? you must be forgetting that Thanos was the Avatar of Death and his power came from Death herself as he was a extension of Death.

Oh i see because its on neutral ground Marvell wont be empowered 😂 thats his power source. Neutral ground doesnt work like that, because if it did Marvell would be powerless and that means its a spite thread

I'll just disagree with you on Thanos being greater in power than the Hulk that cracked Onslaught out of that armor. The Hulk may have been beyond world breaking levels, and this is something that I have never seen Thanos exceed, or even come close to doing. Yep he fought Thor with the PG, but they weren't even able to demolish the room that they fought in. This Onslaught vs Mar-Vell debate is all a matter of opinion, but Onslaught's feats in my opinion are far greater than Mar-Vell whether we're talking in terms of physical or psychic might. Like I said in an earlier post, The Magus had variable levels of power, and when Mar-Vell destroyed him, he could have been operating on level far inferior to his optimal levels.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Astral Plane is everywhere, Onslaught could easily engage Mar-Vell on the Astral Plane, he had other heroes thinking that they were doing things that they weren't, and as far as psychic feats are concerned Onslaught's trump Mar-Vell's.

I agree, you have to be one hell of a powerful character to physically dominate the Juggernaut to to the point that he was in fear for his life. this is something that has never happened to classic Juggs.

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Stoic seems to know well what hes talking about

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
[B]imo Marvel dimension hoped partly because he was close to the fault so he teleported inside his universe as you would inside a single universe. i dont think that makes him a dimensional traveler

also the astral plane is not a physical plane like the cancerverse, when i was commenting that the cancer gods wouldnt be there, was because i assumed they contaminated the astral plane somehow but i was incorrect as Cosmo and the green girl used psychic powers without being hindered later on. straight combat in the astral plane goes to Onslaught imo

Thanos may be stronger than regular Hulk, but the version that breached Onslaught armor was ultra-strong.

also, Mar-vell couldn't fight Thanos properly, he got completely handled as if he was a weakling, i dont see why we should assume hes Juggernaut/Hulk level

Originally posted by Stoic
[B]I'll just disagree with you on Thanos being greater in power than the Hulk that cracked Onslaught out of that armor. The Hulk may have been beyond world breaking levels, and this is something that I have never seen Thanos exceed, or even come close to doing.

fo Yep he fought Thor with the PG, but they weren't even able to demolish the room that they fought in.

This Onslaught vs Mar-Vell debate is all a matter of opinion, but Onslaught's feats in my opinion are far greater than Mar-Vell whether we're talking in terms of physical or psychic might. Like I said in an earlier post, The Magus had variable levels of power, and when Mar-Vell destroyed him, he could have been operating on level far inferior to his optimal levels.

Originally posted by Nihilist
facepalmIt was shown clear as day, the same way Thanos and co teleported to the necropsy ritual site

Your missing the whole point, wheather
it be physical or mental Marvells power comes from Elder Gods.
Still not stronger(punch wise than Thanos, the Titan killed Surfer in 6 punches Yet he mandled Surfer and ful powered Nova with ease. Hulk/Juggs would/hasnt ever mandled 2 guys like Surfer/Nova at once, and again you clearly ignore the power Thanos was packing during Imperative.

So you're willing to go on record and state that Thanos was great enough to punk an elder god??? Because this is what thanos did to Mar-Vell. I must remind you that Thanos was unable to do what Thor was able to do while being amped, yet still beneath a Marvel comics Elder God. Wanna know what that thing was?

He failed the shield test, we was unable to dent it, and he was raging out of control when he hit it. I'm not buying the whole Elder God thing, yes he was powered by them, but what fraction of their power was he given?

Onslaught would pwn the hell out of the Surfer, Thor, and Quasar as well. He was just that good.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Koing Surfer in 3 punches and killing him in 6 puts him over Onslaught Hulk for a start. And as for the point about all round power, a weaker Thanos clone aborbed enough energy and released it to kill the Rot that was killing Eternity,And? oh i forgot your a Hulk fan in which enviromental destruction means everthing..BRB/Stardust wrecked planets for fun,does that put them above Hulk/Onslaught. Huh. that Magus destroyed 6 planets at once

Magus at the time of his destruction may have been operating at lower levels than he was when he destroyed all of that real estate. Wasn't he powered by the prayers of the Universal Church of Truth? Tides come in and Tides go out is my point.

Originally posted by Stoic
[B]So you're willing to go on record and state that Thanos was great enough to punk an elder god??? Because this is what thanos did to Mar-Vell.

I must remind you that Thanos was unable to do what Thor was able to do while being amped, yet still beneath a Marvel comics Elder God. Wanna know what that thing was

He failed the shield test, we was unable to dent it, and he was raging out of control when he hit it.

I'm not buying the whole Elder God thing, yes he was powered by them, but what fraction of their power was he given?

Onslaught would pwn the hell out of the Surfer, Thor, and Quasar as well. He was just that good.

You act like Onslaught is untouchable, Cyclops was badly hurting him, just think what Surfers blasts would do.

Originally posted by Stoic
Magus at the time of his destruction may have been operating at lower levels than he was when he destroyed all of that real estate.

he powered by the prayers of the Universal Church of Truth? Tides come in and Tides go out is my point.

Originally posted by Nihilist
facepalmIt was shown clear as day, the same way Thanos and co teleported to the necropsy ritual site

Your missing the whole point, wheather
it be physical or mental Marvells power comes from Elder Gods.
Still not stronger(punch wise than Thanos, the Titan killed Surfer in 6 punches Yet he mandled Surfer and ful powered Nova with ease. Hulk/Juggs would/hasnt ever mandled 2 guys like Surfer/Nova at once, and again you clearly ignore the power Thanos was packing during Imperative.

it would seem that youre advancing the theory that to beat Mar-vell physically or mentally you need to tame the elder gods, this was never stated on panel and was also proven false by Thanos. by that logic you would need to pwn Cyttorrak to beat Juggs, and guess what? Onslaught did it!

Juggs has beaten Thor who in turn beat Warlock and Surfer at the same time, Hulk was the only one who could breach Onslaught's armor and the same Thor was just standing there. you still hadnt brought any way in which Mar-vell can escape from being dumped into the astral plane either

Well Nihilus, it seems that we both have agendas, but the Hulk has nothing to do with this thread, aside from being a gauge. Thanos would be one as well correct?

I don't think that it's hopeful thinking on my part to point out that Thanos was weak of mind and not of body, or was that specifically stated in the very comic that you are referring to? Thanos has vast power when he planted Mar-vell like a tent peg, but this feat only inflated Thanos because of how easily Mar-Vell dispatched The Magus, who as I stated could have been far inferior to his most powerful showings.

All of this talk still doesn't change the fact that Onslaught could trick Mar-Vell into kicking rocks, and there really is no way of you proving that Mar-Vell is superior to Onslaught mentally or physically.

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
[B]it would seem that youre advancing the theory that to beat Mar-vell physically or mentally you need to tame the elder gods, this was never stated on panel and was also proven false by Thanos.

by that logic you would need to pwn Cyttorrak to beat Juggs,

and guess what? Onslaught did it!

Juggs has beaten Thor who in turn beat Warlock and Surfer at the same time

Hulk was the only one who could breach Onslaught's armor

and the same Thor was just standing there.

you still hadnt brought any way in which Mar-vell can escape from being dumped into the astral plane either

Better yet, now we know that Mar-vell exists in the astral plane, Onslaught can get there and destroy him, or just feed in his psychic energies

Cyttorrak rules an entire dimension, the fact that you call it a pocket dimension is just a wordplay to make it seem less impressive. and no, we havent seen anything different between how Cain is an avatar of cyttorrak and Mar-vell an avatar of those gods

Marvel was inmortal because there was no death in his universe, but that wont stop Onslaught from reducing him to a mindless vegetable. are you implying that you need to destroy the elder gods to ever beat Marvel in a fight? thats ludicrous

Originally posted by Stoic
[B]Well Nihilus, it seems that we both have agendas, but the Hulk has nothing to do with this thread, aside from being a gauge. Thanos would be one as well correct?

I don't think that it's hopeful thinking on my part to point out that Thanos was weak of mind and not of body, or was that specifically stated in the very comic that you are referring to?

Thanos has vast power when he planted Mar-vell like a tent peg, but this feat only inflated Thanos because of how easily Mar-Vell dispatched The Magus

who as I stated could have been far inferior to his most powerful showings.

All of this talk still doesn't change the fact that Onslaught could trick Mar-Vell into kicking rocks, and there really is no way of you proving that Mar-Vell is superior to Onslaught mentally or physically.