Lord Marvel vs. Onslaught

Nihilist.. The Hulk has no level, so no koing the Sufer in 3 shots does not place him above the Hulk. Thor can go toe to toe with the Surfer, and get thrown around by the Hulk. What does this mean to you? Surfer is simply the Hulks bane. Thanos isn't.

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
[B]Better yet, now we know that Mar-vell exists in the astral plane, Onslaught can get there and destroy him, or just feed in his psychic energies

Cyttorrak rules an entire dimension, the fact that you call it a pocket dimension is just a wordplay to make it seem less impressive.

and no, we havent seen anything different between how Cain is an avatar of cyttorrak and Mar-vell an avatar of those gods

Marvel was inmortal because there was no death in his universe[/quoteThere was death in the regular marvel universe and he was just as powerfull there., [quote]but that wont stop Onslaught from reducing him to a mindless vegetable.

are you implying that you need to destroy the elder gods to ever beat Marvel in a fight? thats ludicrous

Originally posted by Stoic
Nihilist.. The Hulk has no level, so no koing the Sufer in 3 shots does not place him above the Hulk. Thor can go toe to toe with the Surfer, and get thrown around by the Hulk. What does this mean to you? Surfer is simply the Hulks bane. Thanos isn't.

Hulk would get the same treatment from Thanos if he wanted too

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thor cant ko Surfer in 3 shots with the casual ease Thanos did.

Hulk would get the same treatment from Thanos if he wanted too

You're making stuff up. you also seem to be claiming that Mar-Vell was as great as an Elder God, which would make Thanos even greater than that, and yet no where on panel did it ever state such and such.

Originally posted by Stoic
[B]You're making stuff up.

you also seem to be claiming that Mar-Vell was as great as an Elder God, which would make Thanos even greater than that, and yet no where on panel did it ever state such and such.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Please tell me what am i making up FFS its hard getting through to you isnt it. What is so hard to understand Marvell was the Avatar of Life/Cancerverse Elder Gods, he may not had all their power but had part of it..the same goes for Thanos as his power come from Death, thats why Death had to kill Marvell as her power>>>>>Cancerverse gods.

Being an Avatar does not make one the Master, it means that you possess a fraction of whatever you are repping, and no more than that. Do you get it? You really have no idea as to how powerful Mar-Vell was. Thor is bad ass and he was flailing around in the air like a muppet just before Onslaught was stopped by the Incredible one, I think that's as impressive or more-so than Surfer being whipped by 6 or 7 hay makers.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Or Marvell just destroys him with a simple spell, it easy to play your game.

Word play! its fact. The Cancerverse is a entire Universe identical to the regular marvel universe, the Elder Gods completely took over that universe killing the abstract Death in the process. Of course we have, Marvell/cancerverse already ruled/took over a inhabated universe gaining more and more minnions/followers...does Cytorrak/Juggs do the same, no they dont.

Is this after Marvell pwn him with his speed/firepower. Judging by what was shown on panel yes, or do you what me to start making stuff up?

did the death of Phyla Vell destroyed Death back when she was her avatar? of course not, in the same way, destroying Cain or Mar-vell wouldnt need to destroy any Elder god. marvell has personal power but you dont need to overcome the full power of the gods to beat him, Thanos had dead rights on him during all their battle, and it wasnt because of his avatarhood but his personal power, Phyla couldnt have done what Thanos did

Cyttorrak dimension is an entire realm controlled by cyttorrak, there is no telling if its bigger than the physical world or not, but your point is mooth, Elder gods and avatarhood are not significant elements of this discussion

what if Onslaught used the shileds that withstood thor? what if he was in his energy form? youre calling for spells that were never shown on panel, Marvel never stood against a mental power as big as Onslaught, thats fact

Originally posted by Stoic
[B]Being an Avatar does not make one the Master, it means that you possess a fraction of whatever you are repping, and no more than that. Do you get it?

You really have no idea as to how powerful Mar-Vell was.

Thor is bad ass and he was flailing around in the air like a muppet just before Onslaught was stopped by the Incredible one,

Are you seriously gonna say Thanos with his awesome durabilty and cosmic amped punching power couldnt trade punches with Onslaught.

i dont think Thanos rates higher than Juggernaut durabilitywise or strengthwise

Originally posted by Nihilist
That may have been true if Thanos had been able to kill unkillable neings in the cancerverse. Eaily punking Surfer/Nova at once, and killing the cancerverse avatar/and death herself. Another lie as Thor and a few other were walking through the shockwaves of the fight. Hulk didnt stop him. he was flat on his ass ko'd whilst Onslaught carried on fighting the others.

Are you seriously gonna say Thanos with his awesome durabilty and cosmic amped punching power couldnt trade punches with Onslaught. [/QUOTE]

He could trade punches with Onslaught if Onslaught allowed for such a fiasco, but it would be more likely that Thanos or more importantly Mar-Vell would be trading punches with a wall that they believed was Onslaught.

Your utter lack of knowledge or ignorance of how the Hulk's powers operate is incredible. The Hulk does not operate at the same level, and never has. I've seen Wonder Man nearly beat the Hulk once, and then saw the Hulk in an alternate timeline punch a hole in his indestructible body, and that is no where near how powerful he can become. What the Hulk did in the Dark Dimension up till this point was still not his max, which is one of the reasons that your boy Thanos said that he did not relish fighting the Hulk.

Honestly the Hulk would cripple the Surfer if he wasn't being leeched of power by the Surfer whenever they fight. Did Thanos kill the Surfer? I thought he put him into a coma? Hey Thor just head butted the Surfer and dented his head, imagine what a few more shots (let's say six or seven) would have done.

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
[B]did the death of Phyla Vell destroyed Death back when she was her avatar? of course not, in the same way, destroying Cain or Mar-vell wouldnt need to destroy any Elder god w

marvell has personal power but you dont need to overcome the full power of the gods to beat him,

Thanos had dead rights on him during all their battle, and it wasnt because of his avatarhood but his personal power,

Phyla couldnt have done what Thanos did[/quoute] Please give me any feats to show she had ever had such power to do that, either as "Avatar" or regular Phyla will do.

[quote]Cyttorrak dimension is an entire realm controlled by cyttorrak, there is no telling if its bigger than the physical world or not, but your point is mooth

Elder gods and avatarhood are not significant elements of this discussion

what if Onslaught used the shileds that withstood thor?

youre calling for spells that were never shown on panel,

Marvel never stood against a mental power as big as Onslaught, thats fact

Originally posted by Nihilist
Phyla wasnt a true Avatar of death, she was never with Death, she was simply tricked by Maelstrom/Oblivion into brining Thanos back Marvell never showed beforwe he was avatar that he could handle Surfer lvl guys with ease Thanos couldnt kill him, thats why death stepped inIts fact, thats why it a side realm of the regular universe(which has been stated on panel several times btw), They are but youre just choosing to ignore them as you dont like what it brings to the arguments

It negates the fact he took on Thor as he never really did. Huh, he was shown to cast a spell symbol before he destyroyed the ship No but he had the mental power to overcome and mind shaft the worldmind, which is a techno organic computer

lolz at comparing the worldmind with Onslaught, has the WM ever blocked any world level telepath?

youre speculating when you say Thanos couldnt kill Mar-vell, did anyone ever state this to be the case? i dont think so, it seems to me that youre confusing what happened in the book -Mar-vell being killed by Death- with what may happen in another battle -Mar-vell being bested and the elder gods choosing a new avatar-

truth to be told, you havent brought any reason to believe Marvels place as an avatar is relevant, you just say it is, but provide no proof. his powers were boosted, but not enough for him to handle a physical confrontation with Thanos. you assume its because Thanos was an avatar, but thats not stated anyware, youre just inventing random statements

In my opinion Onslaught's physical feats are greater than Mar-Vell's, and his psychic ones are as well. Onslaught's ability to utilize frankilns reality manipulating powers, and Magneto's metal manipulating powers alone tell me that he would crush Mar-Vell.

Originally posted by Stoic
[B]

He could trade punches with Onslaught if Onslaught allowed for such a fiasco, but it would be more likely that Thanos or more importantly Mar-Vell would be trading punches with a wall that they believed was Onslaught.

Your utter lack of knowledge or ignorance of how the Hulk's powers operate is incredible. The Hulk does not operate at the same level, and never has. I've seen Wonder Man nearly beat the Hulk once, and then saw the Hulk in an alternate timeline punch a hole in his indestructible body, and that is no where near how powerful he can become. What the Hulk did in the Dark Dimension up till this point was still not his max, which is one of the reasons that your boy Thanos said that he did not relish fighting the Hulk.

Honestly the Hulk would cripple the Surfer if he wasn't being leeched of power by the Surfer whenever they fight.

Did Thanos kill the Surfer? I thought he put him into a coma?

Hey Thor just head butted the Surfer and dented his head, imagine what a few more shots (let's say six or seven) would have done.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Man your bias is unbelievable, Thanos traded punches with a exact copy of himself, that tanking over 15 cosmic amped punches...and youre saying he couldnt hang with Onslaught if Onslaought wanted to...seriously gtfo with this tripe.

I think you need to re read what Hulk did in the dark dimension as for 1, he didnt do it alone and 2. it was only a planet which is no grate shakes as the weakest ever Thanos and Dax did the same. Now yore having to troll? Thanos stated about facing the Hulk in his previous incarnation, and as how powerful Hulk can become the same has been stated about Thanos afterhe had jsut fought PG Thor(stated by Warlock himself)
Like he couldnt with the warbound aid when they were both weak or when Surfer couldnt even feel savage Hulks punches Yeah he killed him, Thanos gave him a flicker of his life force when he took him to death realm Which had no effect on Surfer and cut Thors own head open

I have never seen any great strength feats from thanos, but I did read him saying that he did not relish fighting the Hulk... Know why? Because the Hulk does not stay at the same level, and that he has a healthy respect for his sheer power.

Onslaught could literally trick Mar-Vell into thinking that he was fighting him while Mar-Vell would be punching a wall.

Feats tell me this.

Ok peeps have a good weekend. The Storm is going to destroy mine. C-ya... I hope.

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
olz at comparing the worldmind with Onslaught, has the WM ever blocked any world level telepath?

youre speculating when you say Thanos couldnt kill Mar-vell, did anyone ever state this to be the case?

it seems to me that youre confusing what happened in the book -Mar-vell being killed by Death- with what may happen in another battle -Mar-vell being bested and the elder gods choosing a new avatar-

truth to be told, you havent brought any reason to believe Marvels place as an avatar is relevant, you just say it is, but provide no proof. his powers were boosted, but not enough for him to handle a physical confrontation with Thanos. you assume its because Thanos was an avatar, but thats not stated anyware, youre just inventing random statements [/B]

Originally posted by Stoic
[B]I have never seen any great strength feats from thanos,

but I did read him saying that he did not relish fighting the Hulk... Know why? Because the Hulk does not stay at the same level, and that he has a healthy respect for his sheer power.

Onslaught could literally trick Mar-Vell into thinking that he was fighting him while Mar-Vell would be punching a wall.

Feats tell me this.

Lord-Marvell stomp Onslaught. Onslaught isn't Thanos

Originally posted by Oslaught1262
lolz at comparing the worldmind with Onslaught, has the WM ever blocked any world level telepath?

Erm how about Richie resisting an ancient being that has been psionically feeding on the pain and anguish of dying worlds for centuries? It even stowed away on Galactus's ship for ages and psionically prevented detection from big G himself.

1st encounter

2nd mini encounter

3rd encounter (still able to resist from point blank range)

Originally posted by Nihilist
IIRC the Sphinx who had 2 Ka stones and was merging 2 timelines

If he could have killed him, then why did he stop allowing himself to taken prisoner and for himself to be sacrificed. Thanos let himself be captured and the "killed" so Death herself could get close enough to Marvel and kill him/Cancerverse eldergods.

F*cking lol, the cancerverse being were shit scared of Thanos as he was Death to them, Marvell and Surfer confirmed Thanos was the Avatar of Death. How about the proved something to disprove neither was a avatar of said power

Thanos wanted to die himself, thats why he sacrificed. just killing Marvel wouldnt have fixed anything as he is just some random avatar, the manyangledones would have picked another one. Thanos being an avatar was important in the context of bringing death to them, but it has no relevance when we talk about Onslaught making marvel a vegetable.