Poll: Muslims, atheists most likely to reject violence

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
More than a few tests have shown that everyone believes themselves to be more moral than they really are.

Self-reporting formats are notorious for respondent character inflation. I see Islamic overcompensation here; and for that matter, somewhat with atheists too, ie, a reaction to the hypocrisy of religion(ism).

THIS STUDY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHICH GROUPS ARE MORE VIOLENT

please read it. It is not a question of whether Muslims are more or less violent than Christians.

How do Christians act on violence?

Originally posted by chomperx9
never said they dont, but they have more factors of what they get upset over compared to christians. most of the time its religion. but you wont see it as often with the muslims in the US since there arent as many compared to christians around here.

I give up

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
How do Christians act on violence?

now here is the part where someone comes in and says they werent real Christians. 🙄

Originally posted by King Castle
when they use text to justify their actions from crusades, manifest destiny/genocide, abortion clinic bombings, gay bashing and so on.

now here is the part where someone comes in and says they werent real Christians. 🙄

Originally posted by chomperx9
everything you listed there should not be judged on their religion.

Originally posted by chomperx9
everything you listed there should not be judged on their religion.

pretty sure that was pretty religious explicit in the bible.

Originally posted by King Castle
not even the baby bashing against rocks, murdering everyone in a city minus the virgins to keep and rape later? 😕

pretty sure that was pretty religious explicit in the bible.

Catholics are Christians as in they follow and believe in Yeshua.

and religious people often are motivated by their religion and interpretation of the bible passages to commit crimes of violence like abortion bombing and gay bashing.

how often have we heard fanatics scream homosexuality is an abomination against God and should be killed?

Also the old testament pretty much tells you it is okay to kill others that do not follow God's laws or do not believe in him.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Originally posted by King Castle
Catholics are Christians as in they follow and believe in Yeshua.

and religious people often are motivated by their religion and interpretation of the bible passages to commit crimes of violence like abortion bombing and gay bashing.

how often have we heard fanatics scream homosexuality is an abomination against God and should be killed?

Also the old testament pretty much tells you it is okay to kill others that do not follow God's laws or do not believe in him.

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

and when I brought up dont compare christians to catholics was refering to ur abortion statement.

Originally posted by inimalist
[b]THIS STUDY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHICH GROUPS ARE MORE VIOLENT

please read it. It is not a question of whether Muslims are more or less violent than Christians. [/B]

I do realize that but the interesting part of what people say is why they say those things.

Originally posted by Mindship
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Self-reporting formats are notorious for respondent character inflation. I see Islamic overcompensation here; and for that matter, somewhat with atheists too, ie, a reaction to the hypocrisy of religion(ism).

One would have to assume that there's some inflation across the board. The numbers may vary slightly between groups, but certainly not enough to change the relations between them.

Originally posted by chomperx9
but most of the violence you find from a christian in this country usually involves financial,problems, love, and other reasons. Religion is not one of the 1st topics with christians that leads them to violence.

Ignoring the point. Your words here are true enough, but secondary to what we're getting at: Christians are more likely to justify violence than other religious denominations in this country. Period. We're not asking what the percentages are in the root causes of violence...that's an entirely different train of thought.

umm.. the modern jews still follow the Old Testament since it is their main religious book, you might have heard of them. They do have a large country in the middle east.

also fundamentalist Christians are often heard here in the states repeating the bile of their religion. For Yeshua did not come to abolish the old laws but to fulfill them.

'Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.'

'For truly I say to you, until Heaven and Earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.'

the earth is still here as is the sky or universe so that leads me to believe the laws are still up.

remember the key word here is extremist/fanatical religious followers which each religion has their fair share and looking at history religion has done its fair share of violence.

Originally posted by Digi
One would have to assume that there's some inflation across the board. The numbers may vary slightly between groups, but certainly not enough to change the relations between them.

Ignoring the point. Your words here are true enough, but secondary to what we're getting at: Christians are more likely to justify violence than other religious denominations in this country. Period. We're not asking what the percentages are in the root causes of violence...that's an entirely different train of thought.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I do realize that but the interesting part of what people say is why they say those things.

for sure

you and digi had some interesting comments on that, and I tried to add to it, but it really seems to have degraded from there

Originally posted by chomperx9
but my point is religion is not one of the 1st topics that leads christians to violence compared to othe topics that turns them on.

Ok. Then you're off-topic, with something that's not a terribly controversial stance. srug

I'd say religion is often a primary factor for certain types of segregated thought, however. The in-group mentality religion creates breeds animosity more so than most other cultural groups...not always because the religion itself it hateful, but because the community is insulated and uneducated about other approaches, and ignorance leads to fear, which leads to anger, etc. etc. I don't even live in a particularly fervent religious community, and people have frequently never met an atheist. They're surprised at my existence...it's pretty much a given that they won't have a firm grasp on my viewpoint. Now compound that problem in hyper-religious areas, and you see the issue.

You're glossing over some important sociological implications of religion to simply shrug it off by saying there's other factors too.

Originally posted by inimalist
Digi, one of the main reasons Muslims in America may be so passive is that they are the ones who could afford to immigrate away from their home nations, all the way to North America, rather than the poorer ones who end up in Europe. Upper/Middle class people who have escaped brutal regimes and have seen innocent people abused by them are probably less likely to want to target civilians with violence

Got caught up, buddy. Missed this. Thanks though, I hadn't considered that thinking behind it.

Originally posted by inimalist

Digi, one of the main reasons Muslims in America may be so passive is that they are the ones who could afford to immigrate away from their home nations, all the way to North America, rather than the poorer ones who end up in Europe. Upper/Middle class people who have escaped brutal regimes and have seen innocent people abused by them are probably less likely to want to target civilians with violence

are you saying they're less likely to support targeting civilians because they're more likely to be from a country ran by a brutal regime, or because they're upper/middle class?

cause theoretically in my mind the poorer muslims who ended up in europe could have been from the very same regime and would have likely witnessed just as much (if not more) abuse.. though maybe i'm missing something here. (like maybe only rich muslims get to escape brutal regimes? i'm admittedly uninformed)

Originally posted by Digi
You're glossing over some important sociological implications of religion to simply shrug it off by saying there's other factors too.

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