Originally posted by King Castlehorrible comparrison to making threats and causing terrorism towards another nation.
the same way christians scream the end of days, the anti christ, fall of government, Holy war and most importantly: "you are either with us or against us, God bless america?"sound familiar? it should it is Bush and his christian cronies and beliefs.
Originally posted by chomperx9i guess we americans didnt cause terror to any third nation and its people. 🙄
horrible comparison to making threats and causing terrorism towards another nation.
You realize that Bush and his right wing christian conservatives were head of state and went to war with more then one nation with not just a political banner but also a religious one.
Bush admits that God told him to invade Iraq
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-509925.html
YouTube video
Originally posted by King Castleand how many of us supported that ? Not as many, as how many muslims support taking us down every time theres just a little south park episode of muhamad.
i guess we americans didnt cause terror to any third nation and its people. 🙄You realize that Bush and his right wing christian conservatives were head of state and went to war with more then one nation with not just a political banner but also a religious one.
Bush admits that God told him to invade Iraq
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-509925.html
YouTube video
Originally posted by chomperx9
and how many of us supported that ? Not as many, as how many muslims support taking us down every time theres just a little south park episode of muhamad.
you would be wrong, Christians were the biggest backers for the Iraq War. remember many thought and probably still think Saddam Hussein was the Anit-Christ and many felt it was prophesied Holy War.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1010-02.htm
Originally posted by King CastleThe iraq war is really over Oil, Bush probably made it into a religious matter to make it more reasonable.
you would be wrong, Christians were the biggest backers for the Iraq War. remember many thought and probably still think Saddam Hussein was the Anit-Christ and many felt it was prophesied Holy War.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1010-02.htm
Originally posted by chomperx9maybe but you would have to ask why would he need to get the christian support in the 1st place? 😬
The iraq war is really over Oil, Bush probably made it into a religious matter to make it more reasonable.
Bush is actually a born again Christian and believes the spill he says worse part he was supported by fellow Christians in his actions in office.
so what did we learn chompers?
Christians are just as violent as Muslims but with superior numbers and resources.
Originally posted by chomperx9Nobody blames christians for what Bush said and did. But Al Quaeda apparently represents all muslims in the world. There are more christians that'd support a crusade against muslims than muslims who support Al Quaeda.
and how many of us supported that ? Not as many, as how many muslims support taking us down every time theres just a little south park episode of muhamad.
Originally posted by chomperx9Double standarts much? You just said there's a difference between "making threats" and "terrorism". Muslim states never invaded a country over of a south park episode. Yet you're willing to blame all of them just because one or two organization want Trey Parker dead.
and how many of us supported that ? Not as many, as how many muslims support taking us down every time theres just a little south park episode of muhamad.
And term "terrorism" isn't always used correctly. Some muslim guy blows up a car - its terrorism and Islam is to blame. Israelis shoots and burns 100s of people - its not terrorism, its a military operation.
Originally posted by Omega VisionJust because religion wasn't the original driving factor doesn't mean it isn't driven by religion. It's not multi-variable calculus to recognize that ulterior or secondary motives are motives as well.
Actually I don't think it was driven by religion, in the sense that religion was the main cause/catalyst for its creation.Religion was (and still is) a source of power for the KKK and the KKK has used religion to establish itself, lend itself a sense of legitimacy, and spread its message but I don't think it would be right to say that the original KKK or even the current KKK is a religious movement.
It was born from social turmoil and resentment, it was a Protestant political group who's earliest targets were white, protestant Northern Carpetbaggers as well as black (again Protestant) freedmen in political positions.
Sure the KKK are no fans of Catholics or Muslims or Jews, but religious intolerance wasn't the fundamental cause of the Klan's formation.
Originally posted by Digi
...most of any religion are peaceful. A religion where the majority are violent would not last long. It doesn't shirk the fact that Christians more easily justify violence in this country.
You keep saying that but you have no proof why you think that.Can you please say why you think they are?
The Poll as reported by Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148763/Muslim-Americans-No-Justification-Violence.aspx
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The Poll as reported by Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148763/Muslim-Americans-No-Justification-Violence.aspx
I think it's skewed if this poll didn't ask Hindus and Buddhists, both of whom comprise the third and fourth largest religions/belief systems.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
I think it's skewed if this poll didn't ask Hindus and Buddhists, both of whom comprise the third and fourth largest religions/belief systems.
The poll isn't about the world, it's about America where both groups are tiny and have almost no political relevance. Remember the poll was part of learning about the country's Muslim population not specifically to find the religion with the most members who reject violence.
Originally posted by ADarksideJediI'm going to take that to mean you didn't. Sharpen up and we'll talk.
I did and I don't think it gives a good enough point on the reasons why everyone blames Christians for Violents when it is the terriot who are not Christians are blowing up everything and killing everything.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm betting that they weren't counted or the poll included too few to be reliable.[edit]: Yeah, they interviewed 2500 people which means about 25 Budhhists in the group if the sample was well taken.
there is a methods section in the full survey. I imagine they asked no Hindus or Buddhists, as they had the religious demographic information of the participants prior to calling them. It was not a random sampling in terms of religious affiliation, they had previously compiled lists of Muslims/Christians/etc from previous polling.
This makes sense in terms of wanting similar numbers of people within groups to make stronger comparisons, though, would not represent the overall skew of the American population.
oh the joys of sample selection criteria...
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You keep saying that but you have no proof why you think that.Can you please say why you think they are?
In the same way that species whose predominant characteristic is violence would tend to become extinct. There's a reason we have a strong measure of biological altruism ingrained within us.
Also, I don't "keep saying that," you just quoted me twice saying the same thing.