Poll: Muslims, atheists most likely to reject violence

Started by Symmetric Chaos5 pages

Originally posted by inimalist
there is a methods section in the full survey. I imagine they asked no Hindus or Buddhists, as they had the religious demographic information of the participants prior to calling them. It was not a random sampling in terms of religious affiliation, they had previously compiled lists of Muslims/Christians/etc from previous polling.

This makes sense in terms of wanting similar numbers of people within groups to make stronger comparisons, though, would not represent the overall skew of the American population.

oh the joys of sample selection criteria...

I saw later that they only asked members of the listed groups.

Originally posted by Digi
In the same way that species whose predominant characteristic is violence would tend to become extinct. There's a reason we have a strong measure of biological altruism ingrained within us.

Also, I don't "keep saying that," you just quoted me twice saying the same thing.

No I was saying that you keep saying the same thing over and over again.

That's what happens when people force you to respond to the same thing over and over again.

Originally posted by Quark_666
That's what happens when people force you to respond to the same thing over and over again.

She's a bad listener.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I saw later that they only asked members of the listed groups.

its an interesting survey...

though, I was disappointed they never deconstructed the religious groups more (class distribution, interactions and the like) [at least, I didn't find them when I skimmed through]

to be honest, I think the "is the type of person who participates in phone surveys" would be the strongest bias presented in the study by far

Originally posted by inimalist
its an interesting survey...

though, I was disappointed they never deconstructed the religious groups more (class distribution, interactions and the like) [at least, I didn't find them when I skimmed through]

to be honest, I think the "is the type of person who participates in phone surveys" would be the strongest bias presented in the study by far

Now there's a complicated study to try doing. How to find out the ways people who take surveys are different from people who don't.

"You didn't respond to our last e-mail survey. Please fill out this form and return it."

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Now there's a complicated study to try doing. How to find out the ways people who take surveys are different from people who don't.

"You didn't respond to our last e-mail survey. Please fill out this form and return it."

generally speaking, people who are more willing to participate in surveys are the type who are the most interested in "how they score", or rather, they are the most likely to fall for things like demand characteristics...

for example, I'm running a study about how eyes and hands work together in a reaching task. To calibrate the equipment, I need to measure people's pupil distance. When I tried to do this to one subject, they replied, "oh don't worry, I'm perfect", which is a nonsensical comment. They kept stopping part way through the experiment to see how they were doing, (to the point where their movement messed up the data.... dumb subject), as if there were some "optimal" or "right" way to reach out and grab stuff. anyways, this is risking a tl:dr rant, so to wrap up, it is probably the people most concerned with supplying the answers that the survey takers want that are most likely to partake in the survey.

However, this almost certainly would be equal between religious groups, so all groups would have that bias equally.

social psych isn't my thing, but they are the field where most survey work is done. I'll save my cynical opinions of surveys for now, and say this, there are extreme steps proper studies go to in an attempt to weed out this kind of bias on survey reporting, that this study did not utilize. It probably doesn't matter because the comparison is between religious groups, but the absolute figures are probably not representative, however, the between groups comparison probably is (I can explain that more to anyone... stupid stats, lol!)

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
No I was saying that you keep saying the same thing over and over again.

Ok. And you asked me to explain, so I provided an explanation in that last post. not a lengthy one, mind you, but one that should be sufficient to impart my meaning.

Here is is again, for your benefit:

Originally posted by Digi
In the same way that species whose predominant characteristic is violence would tend to become extinct. There's a reason we have a strong measure of biological altruism ingrained within us.

I don't see how it proves anything.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I don't see how it proves anything.

Can you please state your specific objections, or opposing viewpoint and exactly why it contradicts with mine. I feel that either the initial poll data and/or my subsequent explanations of my view have sufficiently supported my argument, but I can't respond to your refutations if they're as vague as this.

I had aready said what I wanted and I am willing to drop it before it just turns to insults from you and put downs.

I haven't insulted you at all, I generally go out of my way to make sure I'm not insulting on this forum because of the sensitive nature of the subject material. I'm frankly just a bit confused by this point.

You've only responded to me specifically twice in this thread, quoted below:

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You keep saying that but you have no proof why you think that.Can you please say why you think they are?
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
No I was saying that you keep saying the same thing over and over again.

...

All I asked for is some clarification on your objections to my line of thought, or perhaps outlining your own beliefs on the matter, so that I could cater my response to your opinion and objection. But instead of clarifying anything, you insinuate that I'm not going to do anything but insult you? I really can't respond to this...it's like we're having separate conversations.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I had aready said what I wanted and I am willing to drop it before it just turns to insults from you and put downs.
I think KMC has classically conditioned you pretty thoroughly lol.

meaning?

You've come to expect insults and put-downs.

Only because for all the years I been part of this site that is all that happens to me every time I post anything. So that is why I am expecting it.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said conditioning.

Oh ok whatever.