Depowered Tyrant vs your 5

Originally posted by h1a8
Tyrant nor Galactus is immune to blunt force. At max they get the highest durability discussed (or shown) in comics. What's their limit against blunt force? A planet busting punch, a 2 planet busting punch,? Choose.

The problem with your line of thought is that you are still trying to use once in a lifetime feats over the average. Tyrant doesn't have that many showings, so his average is much higher than the Flash's or Zoom's average (he doesn't even have one poor showing). On average, Tyrant destroys them easily. Perhaps you should discuss the rules with Bada or -Pr-, because you don't seem to understand that we debate using average showings, and not showings that have only been seen once or twice.

Originally posted by Stoic
.....you don't seem to understand.....

Tyrant shit stomps

Originally posted by Stoic
The problem with your line of thought is that you are still trying to use once in a lifetime feats over the average. Tyrant doesn't have that many showings, so his average is much higher than the Flash's or Zoom's average (he doesn't even have one poor showing). On average, Tyrant destroys them easily. Perhaps you should discuss the rules with Bada or -Pr-, because you don't seem to understand that we debate using average showings, and not showings that have only been seen once or twice.

Finally,
You confuse the rule FULL CAPACITY with using average showings. Each character will fight WITH THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY AS SHOWN BEFORE. The key words are "as shown before". This has been the rule since forever. We don't use showings where characters are not fighting at their best (low showings) because it contradicts Full Capacity and they will not fight like that in a forum.

Even mentioning low end feats as evidence is called low balling and against the rules.

My argument is that flash or zoom would wtf pawn Tyrant in a forum because they have the power (through speed) to crush him. The kinetic energy of just getting hit by something traveling at ftl speeds is insane. And I'm not even going to mention the imp. And they can do it before he even acts. Otherwise, Tyrant can operate at ftl speeds and react and perform actions within nanoseconds or smaller.

Originally posted by h1a8
I said DISCUSSED or shown with emphasis on discussed. Yet you pick and choose SHOWN (the one I deemphasized)?

Because we go by feats here, not theoretical 'maybes'?

Lol at your passionate defence in the post above this one, where your use of the full capacity rule. You're right, we go with what's beenSHOWN before.

Thus Flash at full capacity would drop the multiverse on top of Tyrant.

Full capacity Flash imps the entire omniverse into Tyrant, gg.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's it right there. H1 don't understand comics 😄

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because we go by feats here, not theoretical 'maybes'?

Lol at your passionate defence in the post above this one, where your use of the full capacity rule. You're right, we go with what's beenSHOWN before.

If we went solely off showings and not what was discussed then Superman would be far stronger than high end cosmic beings. Lt wouldn't have the power to destroy a universe because he never shown it. There are better examples than this, but you get the point.

So I have absolutely no problem going solely off showings and ignoring what was discussed about a character and off panel events. But I'm not going to be sandwiched. I'm not going to argue with one person using ONLY showings and then against another using both Showings and what's being discussed. I don't care either way, as long as it's consistent.

But that's not really what's happening here.

In ALL his showings, Zoom has never shown the ability to increase his mass a la Flash. Not implied, not discussed. His powerset had always been said to be controlling the flow of time.

No Speedforce, etc.

With people like Odin, LT, Mxy et al, they at least have the powerset 'do anything they want'. If they want to create a hammer so powerful, not even they can lift it, so be it. If they want to snap their fingers and destroy worlds, so be it. If they want to amp their strength and durability up, so be it....because they have the showings to back up their abilities.

Zoom has no such ability. And has not been shown. What you're suggesting is a no limits fallacy.....

Originally posted by golem370
Tyrant defeated 4 or 5 herald level beings with little trouble. If you had a choice to have 5 below skyfather level people face Tyrant who would you pick? Mine would be 8th Day Juggernaut, Thanos, WOL Morg, Red Hulk & Thor'w power gem

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
This team can put down DP Tyrant.

*Lord Mar-Vell
*Sentry/Voidtry
*Afro-Magus
*Nate Grey

Team is captained by Thanos the Mad Titan.

Huge amounts of sorcery, brute strength and power, and intelligence going at DP Tyrant. The heralds without Thanos had none of those things going for them.

Your team is disqualified... SENTRY is an Abstract

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Your team is disqualified... SENTRY is an Abstract

Any depowered member of The House of El>>>Zopzop

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Any depowered member of The House of El>>>Zopzop

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that's not really what's happening here.

In ALL his showings, Zoom has never shown the ability to increase his mass a la Flash. Not implied, not discussed. His powerset had always been said to be controlling the flow of time.

No Speedforce, etc.

With people like Odin, LT, Mxy et al, they at least have the powerset 'do anything they want'. If they want to create a hammer so powerful, not even they can lift it, so be it. If they want to snap their fingers and destroy worlds, so be it. If they want to amp their strength and durability up, so be it....because they have the showings to back up their abilities.

Zoom has no such ability. And has not been shown. What you're suggesting is a no limits fallacy.....

For the outside observer, Zoom IS MOVING FAST. Remember, time is relative only to the observer.
Speed is distance over time. Manipulating time is manipulating speed.
So, for the object or being that is getting struck by zoom, zoom's fists will have extra mass. But for Zoom, his fists would have normal mass.

It was discussed that relativity exists in the D.C. universe. This was the reason why Superman was able to imp. The speedforce has nothing to do with it, just like it doesn't have anything to do with relativity in REAL LIFE. So any object that moves under the speed of light will increase their mass.

It was never discussed that Odin can snap his fingers and destroy worlds or he is able to amp his strength or durability.

So if you manipulate distance, you too manipulate speed?

Rip Hunter can also imp?

Note how I didn't just have Odin, why did you only focus on him?

Batman vs Mxy, bench press contest. One, according to you, is 1 ton in strength. The other casually destroys multiverses. So using your strict rules, Batman would win.

Note I said your strict rules, and I'm not referring to showings vs discussions.

When I say your rules, I'm referring to the idea that suspension of belief only applies to arguments you like.

You say Odin (only focussing on one guy) has never shown the ability to amp his strength.

Yet, he can shake galaxies in fights.

He can create enchantments so powerful no one can break.

He can headbutt Galactus.

He can grow to massive sizes (and in comics, especially Marvel, size equals strength and durability).

Zoom...has never shown or been discussed to increase his mass. Even when he was smacking Wally around at full speed, Wally wasn't being hit by those masses. And Wally was near light speed.

You are falling into the usual trap of ignoring comics, sitting down with your Science and Mechanics for Dummies' textbook, and a handbook description of their powersets....then extrapolating.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if you manipulate distance, you too manipulate speed?

Rip Hunter can also imp?

Note how I didn't just have Odin, why did you only focus on him?

Batman vs Mxy, bench press contest. One, according to you, is 1 ton in strength. The other casually destroys multiverses. So using your strict rules, Batman would win.

With that said, mxy was shown to be able to increase his strength.
He can create beings stronger than Batman and has the ability to change his body.

Note I said your strict rules, and I'm not referring to showings vs discussions.

When I say your rules, I'm referring to the idea that suspension of belief only applies to arguments you like.

You say Odin (only focussing on one guy) has never shown the ability to amp his strength.

Yet, he can shake galaxies in fights.

He can create enchantments so powerful no one can break.

He can headbutt Galactus.

He can grow to massive sizes (and in comics, especially Marvel, size equals strength and durability).

Size doesn't necessarily equal strength. Examples doesn't make things universal or fact. It's possible for a character to be created with the power to grow but keep his same strength.

But ill accept that Odin can amp his strength only by growing.

Zoom...has never shown or been discussed to increase his mass. Even when he was smacking Wally around at full speed, Wally wasn't being hit by those masses. And Wally was near light speed.

You are falling into the usual trap of ignoring comics, sitting down with your Science and Mechanics for Dummies' textbook, and a handbook description of their powersets....then extrapolating.

If zoom can't imp then why was he referenced to punch harder than Superman when he is not as strong? Is it because he's fast relative to the target? If so then relativity holds for the target.