Originally posted by inimalist
ok, then explain the point of view to me where rioting is justified as morally acceptable. whether I agree with it or not, explain how the action is justified, not why the behaviour occured
To do so you will have to be less flexible with your morality, can you do that? Without seeing it as outside your range and a different culture and or sociology, you won't.
Originally posted by inimalist
you should stop trying to blame me for your inability to justify riots
I'm blaming you for not understanding these acts are deviant to your world view and whilst deviant to your world view that does not exclude justification. Norms vary from group to group, what is deviant and unjustifiable to you may be completely normal for a cannibal.
Originally posted by inimalist
but you have failed to elaborate on what makes these actions justifiable, aside from the fact that social inequity exists...
The simple fact they are the norm for this group at this time to them they are justifiable. To you they are deviant. They have violated the norms of the majority social group because in fact they are not part of that societal group when you scratch below the surface. That in itself is a justification of sorts or would be to someone like Merton.
Originally posted by Anarchy UK
The simple fact they are the norm for this group at this time to them they are justifiable. To you they are deviant. They have violated the norms of the majority social group because in fact they are not part of that societal group when you scratch below the surface. That in itself is a justification of sorts or would be to someone like Merton.
how do you differentiate these individuals from those who collapsed the world economy?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Deaths and violence are not "of sorts".
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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well we have laws against cannibals in this society.
If cannibals don't like it, they can all go elsewhere as they will have given up there rights to live in the society that they so readlly slap round the face/eat the face of...?
These people have restricted rights, I could use a multitude of different sociological justifications for mass deviance from the norms under these circumstances. Marx would have called the groups rioting the 'lumpen' proletariat for instance, he would have said the breaking of social contracts through stop and search etc, shooting Duggan and not getting an answer might be enough.
Originally posted by Anarchy UK
These people have restricted rights, I could use a multitude of different sociological justifications for mass deviance from the norms under these circumstances. Marx would have called the groups rioting the 'lumpen' proletariat for instance, he would have said the breaking of social contracts through stop and search etc, shooting Duggan and not getting an answer might be enough.
marx would be wrong though, as the actions of the rioters show much more of a selfish bias than a class centric bias
Originally posted by inimalist
marx would be wrong though, as the actions of the rioters show much more of a selfish bias than a class centric bias
Not necessarily as it could be said that the striking out against designer stores etc. Was a class centric action, the have not's wishing to have. so many different things have happened, with different groups over the last few days a single justification could never be enough, each group has its own reasons. It could also be argued this behaviour is reaffirming social norms for the majority, which it is. Out of sight, out of mind etc.
Originally posted by Anarchy UK
Not necessarily as it could be said that the striking out against designer stores etc. Was a class centric action, the have not's wishing to have. so many different things have happened, with different groups over the last few days a single justification could never be enough, each group has its own reasons. It could also be argued this behaviour is reaffirming social norms for the majority, which it is. Out of sight, out of mind etc.
then all you would be arguing is that the "have nots" are entirely ignorant, versus opportunist, whereas I favor the latter.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They stuck out at small family businesses and homes too.
And well as services we ALL pay for.
exactly
either they took advantage of a situation that allowed them to behave this way, or they lack the ability to understand this
my argument favors the former (and, not to mention, is supported by scores of psych studies) whereas you favor the latter...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
They stuck out at small family businesses and homes too.
And well as services we ALL pay for.
They did and that was the mob mentality, the destruction of a society they are angry with as a statement perhaps, as I said so many different incidents require a multitude of different answers. I'm sure many acts were personal and goal driven. For instance if you hated someone, that was the night to torch their car.
Originally posted by Anarchy UK
They did and that was the mob mentality, the destruction of a society they are angry with as a statement perhaps, as I said so many different incidents require a multitude of different answers. I'm sure many acts were personal and goal driven. For instance if you hated someone, that was the night to torch their car.
you think poor people are stupid?