Originally posted by Cogito
It doesn't work like that. What has Zeus brough to the table that puts him above true Darkseid?
Beating the same type of people that Darkseid have trouble with...ans Zeus beats them as teams, etc. That's all he really need to put him above Darkseid imo but people have different opinions, that's why I made the thread.
Originally posted by carver9
Beating the same type of people that Darkseid have trouble with...ans Zeus beats them as teams, etc. That's all he really need to put him above Darkseid imo but people have different opinions, that's why I made the thread.
Darkseid's avatars. And for the record, Darkseid's avatars are team-wreckers. He's done many times.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBatman sure affected a multiversal being as did Superman so by this logic does that mean Superman and batman can affect universal beings in combat let alone multiversal.
Bein more powerful. An Multiversal Being vs an Skyfather. *shrug
Originally posted by CogitoYou have no combat feats so of course you rely on hyperbole and ignore the fact far less have hurt Darkseid and defeated him on panel even in fc.
whistling1Until he gets retconned, true Darkseid is a multiversal entity capable of collapsing reality with is mere presence, who inspires fear in a planet consisting of thousands of gods, who fought said planet of thousands of gods and won, etc.
I don't need to show combat feats. Most abstracts have no combat feats. Do you need to see them before you rank them above someone with combat feats (zomg Infinity vs. Spiderman, Spiderman wins!).
We do know some of his accomplishments, and those are far above Zeus.
In combat far less than Zeus has beaten Darkseid. Quit spouting hyperbole and nothing which translates into combat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Batman sure affected a multiversal being as did Superman so by this logic does that mean Superman and batman can affect universal beings in combat let alone multiversal. .
Why do you leave out the circumstances? Did Batman affect him by his own power? Or did he had a plot device? What about Superman? Was there a bullet or miracle invovled in both?
That's actually lowballing. It's like saying that Drax ripped Thanos heart out but not telling the people why he could do this.
I'm not buying this true Darkseid BS. It wasn't an Avatar that Doomsday crushed, and nor was it an Avatar that Superman beat so badly that he couldn't open his eyes. If no one can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, then the times that Darkseid lost to less than multiverse beaters should be counted as valid defeats.
Zeus stomps.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not buying this true Darkseid BS. It wasn't an Avatar that Doomsday crushed, and nor was it an Avatar that Superman beat so badly that he couldn't open his eyes. If no one can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, then the times that Darkseid lost to less than multiverse beaters should be counted as valid defeats.Zeus stomps.
In Final Crisis it was established that Darkseid's fall/presence collapsed the Multiverse. He is/was the embodiment (Multiversal?Abstract?) of Evil. It's nothing you have to prove as Final Crisi says/tells it on panel. There was an War in Heaven and Evil won 🙂.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeThe point is he showed us no reason why no one could affect him when he was affected twice. He wasn't meant to exist in this reality that's why Superman sang him out of existence. His presence caused the multiverse to collapse because he wasn't supposed to be there not like sheer combat power had anything to do with it.
Why do you leave out the circumstances? Did Batman affect him by his own power? Or did he had a plot device? What about Superman? Was there a bullet or miracle invovled in both?
That's actually lowballing. It's like saying that Drax ripped Thanos heart out but not telling the people why he could do this.
Originally posted by Stoic👆
I'm not buying this true Darkseid BS. It wasn't an Avatar that Doomsday crushed, and nor was it an Avatar that Superman beat so badly that he couldn't open his eyes. If no one can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, then the times that Darkseid lost to less than multiverse beaters should be counted as valid defeats.Zeus stomps.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
In Final Crisis it was established that Darkseid's fall/presence collapsed the Multiverse. He is/was the embodiment (Multiversal?Abstract?) of Evil. It's nothing you have to prove as Final Crisi says/tells it on panel. There was an War in Heaven and Evil won 🙂.
I'm not going to belittle the feat, but it can still be argued that it was not a quantifiable one. Lobo beat heaven and hell, correct? Lobo then turned around and was KO'ed by Superman, challenged by Captain Marvel, and easily bfr'ed by Despero. Superman put Darkseid through the shredder 2 times to my knowledge, and was butt raped, and mugged by HP Doomsday. These guys are certainly below Zeus. So perhaps the feat concerning Darkseid wasn't as grand as it appeared?
Originally posted by CogitoI don't see that Darkseid faring any better since he's in a weakened body and Batman was quick enough to get a shot off of him with human reflexes.
I've already said that a Darkseid avatar would lose to Zeus. Are you willing to say that FC Darkseid (the most recent Darkseid, btw) would probably win?
