Deathstroke (with Promethium Upgrade) VS Wolverine

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Changing my tune? That is the same thing I brought up the last time you mentioned "instantaneous reaction"...

Berserker rage Wolverine's mind is the equivalent of a gold medal Olympic gymnast beating three super computers at chess simultaneously during their routine. His mind his enhanced as well, and his speed feats are better.

What happened to him reacting in .038 seconds or whatever? Remember that? Youre very forgetful today.lol

you either show me something that puts his processing power above slades or concede. Slades enhanced brain function is well known. Also, you know good and damn well he doesnt have better speed feats.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby
people act as if logan cannot be koed by concussive force. In a few instances(like with wwh) it seems to be so, but what people need to realize is that logans durability is completely seperate from his hf. Hes not even bulletproof level durability. Whatever force,weapon, etc has to actually do its damage before he can heal. Some writers need to take that into consideration so that extremists can stop running around saying it takes no less than 100+ class opponents to ko him. Tell that to that grizzly bear.lol

Originally posted by Aries_04
Not more retarded than that.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
You don't have to look very far Deadpool puts that shit to shame pretty easy.

Originally posted by namorsubby
people act as if logan cannot be koed by concussive force.

Originally posted by namorsubby
no you didnt. You said it didnt make sense, several times.

What happened to him reacting in .038 seconds or whatever? Remember that? Youre very forgetful today.lol

you either show me something that puts his processing power above slades or concede. Slades enhanced brain function is well known. Also, you know good and damn well he doesnt have better speed feats.lol

What I said the last time was that "instant" is a relative term. Slade has no lag between his reaction time and his thought process, so his reaction time is instant. Wolverine has no lag between his thought process and reaction time, so his reaction time is instant as well. Wolverine's instant reaction time is just faster then Slade's. Wolverine .038 second reaction time is instantaneous relative to his own speed and thought process, if he was the Flash who process the world at c, it would no longer appear to be instant.

Show me something that quantifies how fast Slade's brain works? Because so far all you have is the fact that he has "instantaneous reaction time." Well, so does Wolverine... and his speed feats are superior, ergo his mind works faster than Slade's.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We know Wolverine's durability is completely exclusive from his healing factor. It's why we have on panel narration where Wolverine says that a single hit from the Hulk liquifies all his internal organs, he just heals before the next punch lands. Wolverine's healing factor affords him damage soak on par with the durability of the top tier bricks, and in some cases higher. It's pretty well established.

Wolverine's never been koed by a grizzly bear.

His skins not even bulletproof but he has the durability of a top teir brick? Yeah right.

Inconsistent writers error. Thats all it is

Originally posted by namorsubby
no you didnt. You said it didnt make sense, several times.

What happened to him reacting in .038 seconds or whatever? Remember that? Youre very forgetful today.lol

you either show me something that puts his processing power above slades or concede. Slades enhanced brain function is well known. Also, you know good and damn well he doesnt have better speed feats.lol

now, DS might very well have faster reaction times than logan, but we cant really use him beating flash to the draw as evidence he'll blitz logan and DS still gets tagged by elite streets and low metas after all. all and all, he probably is faster but not enough for it to become the deciding factor IMO

Originally posted by StyleTime
There are characters that alter reality itself by thinking about it. Wolverine isn't all that high on the wtf meter.

Wolverine himself has done more retarded things than the exploded heart.

There are characters who can alter reality by flexing muscles.

Originally posted by namorsubby
your brain(an organ) gets liquified or damaged, you pass out, simple.

His skins not even bulletproof but he has the durability of a top teir brick? Yeah right.

Inconsistent writers error. Thats all it is

Unless said brain is regrown nigh instantly.

He doesn't have equal durability, he has equal damage soak afforded to him by his healing factor. It would take as much damage to put out Wolverine as it would to put down a top tier brick.

Originally posted by StyleTime

Wolverine himself has done more retarded things than the exploded heart.

I know he has a pretty comprehensive respect thread I find it ridiculous that anyone can look at Marvel as a whole and think that this shit even charts compared to what goes on.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You mean, the deer that didn't ko him? Cool. 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What I said the last time was that "instant" is a relative term. Slade has no lag between his reaction time and his thought process, so his reaction time is instant. Wolverine has no lag between his thought process and reaction time, so his reaction time is instant as well. Wolverine's instant reaction time is just faster then Slade's. Wolverine .038 second reaction time is instantaneous relative to his own speed and thought process, if he was the Flash who process the world at c, it would no longer appear to be instant.

Show me something that quantifies how fast Slade's brain works? Because so far all you have is the fact that he has "instantaneous reaction time." Well, so does Wolverine... and his speed feats are superior, ergo his mind works faster than Slade's.

Several statements saying he reacts instantaneously isnt quatifying how fast his brain works? So what, if they dont give you some number its not good enough to be valid? Wolverine doesnt even have instantaneous reflexes. Theres nothing to suggest he does besides you.

His speed feats are certainly not superior and you know it. You sure as hell couldnt prove it(because its not true)

Originally posted by 753
I feel like butting in on this debate. I'll accept that slade's reactions are instaneous or so fast they might as well be. still, some of his feats againdt speedsters are pis because his body movement is not instantaneous and should still be extremely slow compared to the better feats of reaction and motion the flash family and superman have. actually he should be standing still as far as theya re concerned.

now, DS might very well have faster reaction times than logan, but we cant really use him beating flash to the draw as evidence he'll blitz logan and DS still gets tagged by elite streets and low metas after all. all and all, he probably is faster but not enough for it to become the deciding factor IMO

Slade doesn't hit the Flash because of speed though, he hits him because he is able to accurately predict where Flash will be, and focus his attack there. Wolverine's done the same thing to Speed Demon. Midnighter has down it to several speedsters. It has more to do with speedsters jobbingly have a predictable pattern and running into shit, then the innate speed of any of those characters.

Unlike Slade, Wolverine has legitimate speed blitzes under his belt, several of them, and his actually speed feats, are far more numerous and impressive than most of what Slade has to offer.

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Originally posted by namorsubby
lol you think you can slick talk your way out of everything. Either its .038 seconds or instantaneous. Not both.

Several statements saying he reacts instantaneously isnt quatifying how fast his brain works? So what, if they dont give you some number its not good enough to be valid? Wolverine doesnt even have instantaneous reflexes. Theres nothing to suggest he does besides you.

His speed feats are certainly not superior and you know it. You sure as hell couldnt prove it(because its not true)

Instant is not a unit of measure. It isn't quantifiable. It is relative. Not sure why that is difficult to understand. An instant for Flash, is not an instant for Nick Fury. .038 seconds is a quantifiable measurement of how fast Wolverine is able to throw a punch, which we know is happens instantly relative to his thought process. How fast is an instant for Slade? You don't know.

Wolverine has stated on panel that Psylock was unable to effectively read his mind because for him thought and action were one. She wasn't able to step in between the gab of thought and action, because Wolverine had relatively instantaneous reaction time. He said the same thing to one of the Cuckoos as well.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Unless said brain is regrown nigh instantly.

He doesn't have equal durability, he has equal damage soak afforded to him by his healing factor. It would take as much damage to put out Wolverine as it would to put down a top tier brick.

differentiate damage soak and durability by definition for me, srank.

the instant his brain sustains the damage is the instant he is incapaciated. simple. A top teir brick wouldnt be incapacitated because he can take much more damage. Also simple.

inconsitent writer error.....like i said.

My favorite posters are Carver, Quan and Srank.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Slade doesn't hit the Flash because of speed though, he hits him because he is able to accurately predict where Flash will be, and focus his attack there. Wolverine's done the same thing to Speed Demon. Midnighter has down it to several speedsters. It has more to do with speedsters jobbingly have a predictable pattern and running into shit, then the innate speed of any of those characters.

Unlike Slade, Wolverine has legitimate speed blitzes under his belt, several of them, and his actually speed feats, are far more numerous and impressive than most of what Slade has to offer.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Instant is not a unit of measure. It isn't quantifiable. It is relative. Not sure why that is difficult to understand. An instant for Flash, is not an instant for Nick Fury. .038 seconds is a quantifiable measurement of how fast Wolverine is able to throw a punch, which we know is happens instantly relative to his thought process. How fast is an instant for Slade? You don't know.

Wolverine has stated on panel that Psylock was unable to effectively read his mind because for him thought and action were one. She wasn't able to step in between the gab of thought and action, because Wolverine had relatively instantaneous reaction time. He said the same thing to one of the Cuckoos as well.

Youre "flash just runs into stuff" arguement is really dumb. Slade just puts those things in his path fast enough....sometimes its his staff....sometimes his fist. Theyre all obvious reaction/speed feats. You and your over-analytical, supremely skeptical garbage. Theyre feats....just get over it, srank

Originally posted by namorsubby
lies....lies unsupported by feats.

differentiate damage soak and durability by definition for me, srank.

the instant his brain sustains the damage is the instant he is incapaciated. simple. A top teir brick wouldnt be incapacitated because he can take much more damage. Also simple.

inconsitent writer error.....like i said.

What do you think happens to brain of a man with relatively baseline human durability when he is punched by a character who one shots asteroids twice the size of the earth?

Durability measures resistance to injury before damage starts to stack, damage soak is how much damage you can take before death / incapacitation. Wolverine doesn't have much durability, but he has lots of damage soak. Alternatively a lot of bricks have relatively baseline human damage soak once their durability has been by passed. Punisher fighting after eating a shot gun to the chest and having a rib blown out of his body is damage soak, if he was durable enough for the blast to be ineffective, it would have been durability.

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